RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

Sun, 11 Jan 2015 20:02:56 -0800 

 

 

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On Sun, Jan 11, 2015  'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List 
<[email protected]> wrote:
  

>> Well, if it insults the prophet (it's about time somebody did) and if 
>> religious imbeciles hate it then it can't be all bad.  

  
 >So then by your argument, defecating in holy water for example would be a 
 >defensible act?

 

That would be a public health issue not a freedom of the press issue,  I have 
no objection to laws regulating where you can and can not defecate. 

 

Such a literalist; aren’t you? I take it then that Mr. Clark is okay with any 
degree of insult, including the use of racial and ethnic stereotypes. Is this 
to be just reserved for Muslims or are all religions including Christianity and 
Judaism to be insulted and caricatured in a similar grotesquely offensive 
manner; using the most obscene stereotypes of the ethnic group being “parodied” 
as fodder for “irony”?

Or is it just Muslims Mr. Clark?

    

>> Tough. You don't have a constitutional right never to be offended, and 
>> besides the feeling of moral superiority experienced when you are deeply 
>> offended can be rather pleasant.


> Tough, right back at you John. I have the right to express my offense!

 

Certainly! You have every right in the world to express your feeling of being 
offended, and by the same token I have the right to say: "it is annoying to 
hear you whining about how grievously some french cartoons have offended your 
delicate sensibilities, and it is in very bad taste to do so at this particular 
moment". 

 

It is even more annoying to hear your sanctimonious profession of being 
annoyed… your pomposity has a certain well known smell John that most people 
find quite offensive. 

I feel bad when anybody is murdered John, even fools who made sure they pissed 
all over a whole bunch of other people – in gratuitously offensive ethnically 
stereotypical “cartoons”. I am not going to line up behind some, de rigueur 
celebration of this offensive body of work or pretend that it represented 
something noble like the defense of free speech.

 

An example of a true defender of human rights is: Malala Yousafzai. Her living 
courage and soft spoken dignity in the face of a deep rooted medieval mindset 
that tried to execute her for trying to learn… that is bravery and that is 
admirable.

I defend the right of Charlie Hebdo to have published their ethnic and racial 
insults against other human beings of Arab and African  descent on the 
principal of defending free speech. I am not going to be corralled into 
celebrating the body of their work just because this is what certain people 
seem to be demanding. 

 

 

this bunch of idiots, I do mourn the death of the three cops who were just 
doing their job.

 

>> and nobody can be offended by what they don't see,  it would have taken a 
>> special effort by you to find those cartoons, and you probably knew even 
>> before you saw them that you would likely be offended by them.   

  

> No, it took very little effort on my part; I saw them posted on another group 
> I am on.

 

And the person who posted them on that other group was no doubt also offended 
by them and posted them for the same reason that you posted them to this group, 
out of a generous desire to share a delicious feeling moral indignation and 
self righteousness with fellow list members.

 

John you seem to have a habit of engaging in baseless conjecture; you 
insinuate. 

 

 I can't imagine why but for some reason I'm reminded of people complain about 
the boorish behavior of the paparazzi when they take pictures of movie stars 
and then are the first in line to buy the trashy magazines that publish the 
paparazzi's pictures. 

 

Maybe it is because you have a poor imagination.

 

>> I am offended that you would pick this of all times to fire criticisms at 
>> Charlie Hebdo.

 

> I picked this moment deliberately because firstly: in a few media cycle 
> moments this will just become a layer of sediment in the forgotten bottom of 
> old news; and secondly to make a point that needs making *now*

 

So in the years to come the thing we should remember from all this isn't that 
Muslim maniacs murdered 17 people because they didn't like the cartoons they 
drew, the really important thing we should remember is that Chris de Morsella 
didn't like the cartoons either. 

 

You remember whatever it is you feel is important to remember; I care not what 
you remember or forget. Your attempt to make this about me is childish. 

John in case you didn’t know there is a whole lot of murder going on in the 
world. A hell of a lot more than 17 people were murdered last year. Just the 
number of people murdered in random shootings in the US alone dwarfs this 
number. Yet, this is the mass murder that gets you riled up.

What about all the murder victims of war? The brown and black people who are 
getting murdered every day in endless (but highly profitable) war? Do their 
lives count for less John? I never hear a peep of outrage from you about the 
death of this legion of un-known un-named faceless victims of the organized 
mass murder of war. Wars of choice that the US waged – and still wages -- in 
far off lands.

Or is it just white European/American lives that matter for you?

 

 

 

> turning what you just told me, around on you *tough You don't have a 
> constitutional right never to be offended 

 

Yes I was offended, but as I said before being offended doesn't seemed to have 
caused me any harm, and I rather doubt that many on this list care if I was 
offended or not. But never mind me it's different for you,  I am certain all 
list members would be fascinated and would consider it of world shaking 
importance to hear all about the latest thing that Chris de Morsella finds 
offensive.

 

There you go again descending to the level of ad hominem insult – the hallmark 
of a weak argument, poor imagination and limited intellect. Seems like this is 
a well you return to over and over again for material, but then you also seem 
like a creature of habit.

-Chris

 

   John K Clark

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