at 5:45 pm, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Kim: Which is the Turing Universal system that doesn't show some kind of 
>> relationship with arithmetic? Why do you feel that that reality would have 
>> to be "magical" if we notice important relations with arithmetical values?
> 
> You can notice important relations between Hamlet and Josephine. Does that 
> make Hamlet and Joesphine real?  Perhaps if you're a magician.
> 
> Brent


You are the magician here. You say it is possible to notice the "not-real". 
It's not possible to notice something that doesn't exist. The not-real 
therefore cannot be noticed. Hamlet and Josephine exist, I assure you. 

Somewhere. Out there. 

K

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