On 1/18/2015 10:55 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
at 5:45 pm, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:

Kim: Which is the Turing Universal system that doesn't show some kind of relationship 
with arithmetic? Why do you feel that that reality would have to be "magical" 
if we notice important relations with arithmetical values?
You can notice important relations between Hamlet and Josephine. Does that make 
Hamlet and Joesphine real?  Perhaps if you're a magician.

Brent

You are the magician here. You say it is possible to notice the "not-real". 
It's not possible to notice something that doesn't exist. The not-real therefore cannot 
be noticed. Hamlet and Josephine exist, I assure you.

I know, you have a flexible meaning of "exist" so Hamlet and Josephine exist and so do Bill and Hilary.

Brent

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