On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:48 PM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> Third party personal reports count just fine *PROVIDED* you assume as >>> I do that the Turing Test is valid >>> >> >> > The Turing test is meant to test human-level intelligence, not >> consciousness. >> > > True, and most people have never even heard of the Turing Test, but every > human being who has ever lived has implicitly assumed that if something > behaves intelligently then it is conscious, > Perhaps every human, perhaps most. Who knows? The trouble is that many things that are assumed turn out to be false: that heavier objects fall faster, that the earth is in the center of the universe, that people in the future all dress in white spandex, etc.. > even philosophers had no trouble with that assumption and they have > trouble with everything. But that all changed when computers came along, > suddenly biology chauvinists want to change the rules of the game. > Not me. I'm the opposite, I was always confused by the idea that rocks are not conscious. > > Darwin's Theory of Evolution is about the origin of biological species, >> not consciousness. >> > > Darwin's Theory of Evolution is about everything life can do, if you're > alive and you're conscious then Evolution is responsible for both. > Humans apply pressure on the floor when standing up, so Evolution is responsible for mass and gravity? > And Evolution can see intelligence just as we can but Evolution can't see > consciousness and neither can we except in ourselves, and yet Evolution > produced consciousness. > You can make the obvious conclusion from that as easily as I can. > > >> > There are more hidden assumptions here that you are not addressing. >> > > List them then. I'm all ears. > The assumptions that consciousness is something organisms do, that conscious is a byproduct of something, that consciousness is generated somehow, that conscious either has an evolutionary advantage or emerges from things that have evolutionary advantages. Telmo. > > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
