On 6 April 2015 at 08:10, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 4/5/2015 9:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>  If you mean something else by physical, I have no idea what you mean.
>
>
>  It is what is studied by physics, mainly through empirical means: the
> measurable quantities in laboratories.
>
>  Aristotle (well mainly its followers) assume that the physical reality
> is irreducible, so that we have to assume primitively physical objects,
> like atoms, particles, 3d spaces, or today, strings for example. It makes
> physics the fundamental science (physicalism).
>
>  I was just saying that arithmetic is not a branch of physics, that
> numbers, sets, functions, are, by virtue of their definitions, not
> physical. More below.
>
>
> That's like saying electrons are not physical because they're defined by
> Dirac's equation.  "Physical" just means we can interact with it in our
> common, non-solipist world and reach intersubjective agreement about it.
> It's no more magic than supposing prime numbers exist because they're
> defined by axiom systems.
>

The difference is between "physical" and "primitively physical" - as I
would think Bruno knows?!

We all agree that the physical universe exists, the question of interest is
whether it's primitive, as opposed to being derived from something more
fundamental.

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