On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 06:33:52PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 03 Apr 2015, at 00:44, Russell Standish wrote: > > > > >The whole point of the MGA is to try and close off a gap in the > >argument if you assume that ontological reality > > I guess you mean here: physical ontological reality (assuming it > exists). > > > > > >If we have a robust ontology (ie the full Platonia), > > You really mean: robust physical ontology.
No, because the label physical should refer to what is phenomenal, otherwise it doesn't have any meaning. The Church Thesis (true by assumption) shows that what is phenomenal cannot be ontological (or noumenal, to borrow Kant's term), when the ontology is robust. That is pretty much the whole point of UDA1-7. > > >Moreover, I would argue that the MGA doesn't even work, as > >recordings can be fully counterfactually correct. > > > By adding the inert Klara? But then the physical role of the inert > Klara to produce consciousness to the movie is not Turing emulable, > and you stop assuming computationalism. But in a robust ontology, the Klaras are no longer inert. They cannot be. > > I can understand the role of Klara and counterfactual correctness > for the computation and behavior being correct hen change occur, but > how could they change the consciousness by being non present when > not needed? > If they are not needed, then some non-counterfactually correct recordings can be conscious. I don't have a strong opinion on this, as the relevant recordings will be really very complex, but do suspect, along with Brent, that full embodiment in an environment is needed, along with counterfactual correctness. As I point out in my paper, that, physical supervenience, and the MGA entails a robust ontology (ie something like the Multiverse to exist). Cheers -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au Latest project: The Amoeba's Secret (http://www.hpcoders.com.au/AmoebasSecret.html) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
