On 01 Jul 2015, at 06:34, Bruce Kellett wrote:
Russell Standish wrote:
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 07:14:29PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 30 Jun 2015, at 01:27, Bruce Kellett wrote:
My conclusion is that, overall, his arguments do not entail the
conclusions he seeks to draw.
So yes, I seek to defeat his 'proofs', not necessarily to prove
the contrary.
Ok, but I honestly think that you failed.
At step 7, you, yourself, admit that physicality, or "concreteness"
of
the primitive ontology has no bearing on phenomenal reality. You
haven't proven immateriality, just that the primitive physicality
is an
unnecessary assumption. You need to wield Occam's razor to eliminate
primitive physicality. I might be happy with this, but perhaps
Bruce isn't.
No, I don't think Occam's razor can ever be more than a vaguely
motivational move. It certainly cannot be used to justify the claim
that comp *entails* immaterialism. That move is, I think, simply
dishonest.
?
define primitive matter, and explain me which role it gives in
enacting consciousness (if you try that by yourself, step 8 will show
you clearer what that cannot be).
Step 8 doesn't address this issue at all, as it seems inapplicable to
a robust universe.
I have long argued that the MGA fails to prove anything -- the
argument has just become hopeless confused by that stage.
You remark are not specific enough. As I said, tell me at which line
you lost the argument.
Bruno
Bruce
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