On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> one place plus >> >> one place equals two places. > > > > > But a place is a 3p notion. >
"I" is 1p and I have a notion of place. > > > For the M-guy, the presence or absence of the W guy will not change > anything in its immediate experience > Agreed. > > > (on which the prediction was asked). > No, the prediction was about what would happen to the H-guy and the M-guy's fate is only part of the story, the W-guy's tale is just as important. > > that guy in Helsinki believes in computationalism, and so believe that as > a person he will survive, > OK. > > > and he knows that wherever he will feel to have survived, > T hat guy in Helsinki knows that that guy in Helsinki will feel to have survived in TWO cities. > > he will feel to be in one city, > If that guy in Helsinki believes in computationalism then that guy in Helsinki knows that the personal pronoun "he" in the above is ambiguous and that is why Bruno Marchal insists on using so many of them , they paint over flaws in the logical edifice of Bruno Marchal . >> >> So if 2 cities is not the correct answer to the question "how many cities >> will the guy in Helsinki see?" you're going to need to change the meaning >> of "the guy in Helsinki". > > > > > I don't have to change the meaning of "the guy in Helsinki" (or better: > the guy who remember being or having be the guy in Helsinki"). > So the guy who remembers being the Helsinki Man yesterday will see TWO cities but the guy who remembers being the Helsinki Man yesterday will see only one city. Mr. Marchal, it's going to take more than ICT3PWT1P to get out of that logical black hole. > > > I have only to interview them in W and in M to see that the experience > possibles have all a content describing only one city. > If both are interviewed then TWO cities will be described and both descriptions come from the Helsinki Man, unless you've changed the definition of "The Helsinki Man" yet again. > > > You just want a change of definition of personal identity, > I'm not picky, you are free to give any definition to personal identity that you like, all I ask is that you use it consistently, but apparently that is too much to ask. > > > In step 3 there is no delays (or no explicit delay). Step four is when we > introduce an explicit and long delay (say one year). Do you think that such > a delay would change anything in the Probability evaluated in Helsinki? > No, the probability that the Helsinki Man would see BOTH cities in the future would remain at 100%, provided of course that "The Helsinki Man" still means somebody who remembers being a man in Helsinki. John K Clark > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
