Chris,
What is the first person experience of a road?
Bruno
On 29 Jul 2015, at 00:38, chris peck wrote:
@Bruno
>> Ah! OK. But then give the arguments. The one you gave up to now
was a C13 confusion.
Like I say, Bruno, I can't understand this argument for you. You
have to do that bit. But to say that I haven't given it is just
plain wrong.
If you imagine being a road going north which branches north-west
and north-east you can ask what you see infront of you before the
junction? You see that you go north-east *and* north-west.
<fork-in-the-road1.png>
Ofcourse, once you have branched into two roads you can ask the same
question of each branch. What do you see infront of you. The answer
is different, north-east *or* north-west.
<branch.jpg> <branch 2.jpg>
Its a situational difference, its not a different type of
perspective. Its not a confusion between 1-p and 3-p. Its the same
perspective, different place.
'interviewing' NW and NE about what they see ahead tells us very
little about what N sees ahead. Though, because we are defining
identity in terms of memory, or a continuation of some property, we
are obliged to call both NW and NE valid continuations of N. Are NE
and NW both N? Yes, for no other reason than we have defined the
identity to ensure that. Does it follow that perspectives
experienced by NE and NW can tell us much about N's perspective? No!
Interviewing duplicates to determine what can be expected prior to
duplication is a mis-step. It will give you the wrong answer vis-a-
vis what N expects to see.
Or,
>> The question is: what do you expect to live?
and
>> what do expect to write in your personal diary, when describing
the city behind the door of the reconstitution box?
are different questions which give different answers because they
involve different situations.
You conflate the two.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:44:54 -0500
Subject: Re: A riddle for John Clark
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:33 AM, John Clark <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Forget about giving the correct prediction, a prediction
can't even be described by any means. Bruno thinks we can repeat the
experiment and compile statistics from it and then compare the
number obtained from experiment with the theoretical prediction,
but who exactly was the prediction about? If the prediction was
about Jason Resch one number is obtained, If the prediction
is about the man currently experiencing Helsinki a different
number is obtained, If the prediction was about the
Moscow Man a third number is obtained, If the prediction
was about the Washington Man yet another number is obtained,
and if the prediction was about "you" no number at all is obtained
because Bruno doesn't know how to give a consistent meaning to the
personal pronoun "you".
> If I understand what you say above, your position is that the
question has no answer?
My position is that there can't be an answer if there is no
question. What EXACTLY is the question?
An uploaded mind is running within a computer process. If the mind
presses a button inside its virtual environment, the process will
fork and if within the simulation of the child process a light
within the virtual environment will flash blue, while in the parent
process it will flash red. The uploaded mind has pushed the button
many times, and each time witnessed either a blue flash or red
flash, seemingly at random and with a seemingly equal probability of
witnessing either color. Within the simulation there is also a
casino which allows betting on which color will flash after the
button is pressed.
The question is, If the game cost $1 to play, and if it was your
mind that was uploaded into this computer process what would the
minimum pay out have to be for you to play, and what would your
betting strategy be?
Jason
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