On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > Two mutually exclusive first person experiences cannot be a first person > experience. >
They can if the first person experience has been duplicated because that's what the word "duplicated" means. But of course ICT1PWT3P, > > > So I guess this is just the traditional John Clark's confusion between the > 1-1 and 3-1 views. Yep, as you've pointed out many many MANY times, all the problems with your theory and all the mysteries of the universe can be solved by ICT3PWT1P. > > To explain the error here, sometimes I imagine a guy who win a price: > going to Mars, but the law of his country forbid self-annihilation, and so > he can only be copied and pasted on Mars. > > Why is it that in all such thought experiments it's always the original's viewpoint that is followed and never the copies? > > > "--No problem" he said, I expect to live both experiences > No problem , I expect to live both experiences provided that "I" means whoever remembers being in Helsinki right now. And what else could "I" mean? > > > he go in the copy machine, is read, and pasted on Mars. But the " > copy > " on > Mars > is disappointed, because when he opened the door > and sees only Mars. > in front on me on Earth, > S o he go es in to the copy machine, is read, and pasted on Mars. And the " copy " on Mars is not disappointed when " he " (somebody who remembers being in Helsinki) opened the door and "he" sees only Mars and no sign of Earth because that is exactly what "he"expected to happen. If Bruno Marchal does not like that fact then Bruno Marchal is going to need to change the meaning of "he". > > He asked: did the copy occur? We told him that "yes" his copy is on Mars. He asked: did the original survive ? We told him that "yes" his original is on Earth. > > he realized that the one staying on Erath, will just not experience the > adventure on Mars. Not being a complete imbecile the copy realized that the original on Earth w ill just not experience the adventure on Mars. > > He can intellectually conceive that he survived on > Mars > through that doppelganger, but that is a meagre consolation Although that is what "he" expected to happen when "he" diverged because that's what "diverged" means. > > > If he repeat that experience, the probability that he > [...] > A example of personal pronoun addiction . > > > > S > ee above. > Why? > > Let us read the diary. > Why? > > > In Helsinki he wrote "I expect to have both experiences in the first > person sense". > And Mr.I did indeed have both experiences in the first person sense, for proof of that just ask the two people who call themselves Mr. I. > > > In Moscow, well, he sees only Moscow > Another example of personal pronoun addiction . > > > and so conclude that he was wrong > . > And John Clark concludes that "he" doesn't know what "he" means. > > > (even if he sees a video showing that he has successfully been > reconstituted in Washington; but he cannot feel the W experience > Not true, for proof just ask a Mr. He. A Mr. He who says "I feel the W experience " can always be found. > > > even Clark admits, there are two streams of consciousness, > Well of course there are two streams of consciousness after the duplication b ecause *HE* **has been duplicated and that's what "duplicated* means. * But of course ICT1PWT3P, John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
