On 29 Jul 2015, at 10:02, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:12 AM, John Clark <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> The question is asked to any entity, or machines, before they
undergo a duplication. The question is: what do you expect to live.
The question is why does Bruno Marchal absolutely insist
on using personal pronouns even when duplication machines makes them
so obviously ambiguous?
The question is, why does he still waste time with this discussion.
Nouns are also ambiguous. Human language relies on context, it
assumes some intelligence on the listener. Otherwise it would be
really hard to say anything. Bruno has gone through the trouble of
removing ambiguity over and over again, but if he slips back to
talking like a normal person you have this shitty argument ready to
deploy.
You saw that too. Thanks for witnessing.
You are not arguing in good faith and you never gave the idea a
chance. You just want to show that Bruno is an idiot. Why you devote
so much time to that effort, I don't know. It's weird.
It *is* weird. Usually people do this kind of things behind my back.
(With the same goal, to "prove", or make people believe that I am an
idiot).
This mailing list used to be interesting.
I understand, but we can move on also, or take holiday. It might seems
bizarre, but somehow Clark's post are refreshing to me. Clark makes
the point indirectly by showing how far you need to play dumb to avoid
the consequences.
Clark is correct also on one point, he is not alone. There is at least
to academicians who taught their students that the FPI is non sense
(when students dare to ask).
But Clark is alone in making this in front of me, so I can answer at
the least, and you can't imagine how different it is from decades of
critics you have never the chance to even heard of.
Eventually we can hope Clark will have the decency to correct himself
(the best scenario) or leave (as he convinced nobody).
The most radical part of what I have done is the most obvious one:
there is a mind-body problem, and it is just not obvious today if it
is "Plato" or "Aristotle" who is less wrong.
The contribution is modest, and shocking only for metaphysicians for
which physicalism or materialism is an undoubtable dogma. Clark has
claimed not having that dogma, which confirms that he is motivated
more in making me like an idiot, than focusing on the list issues.
I can't promise not answering to Clark or Peck. They do progress in
making their error clearer and clearer which also show clearer and
clearer the importance to take into account the private reports and
the public reports differences.
It is not a bad exercise to debunk the technic of propaganda, spam and
troll, as we live with that.
I agree, though, that Clark is boring in repeating the same exercises
again an again.
Now, if someone want a bit of combinators, or some more explanation on
how the (sigma_1) arithmetical reality emulates the universal
dovetailing, ...
I know you have still some doubt, Telmo, on my statement that the
interview of the machine explains the mystery of consciousness, in the
sense that it conveys that machines do find that very mysterious too,
and we can see the reason ... up to the impossible bet that we are
"correct". Consciousness is almost captured by true, knowable,
undoubtable (even), non describable, non provable, "looking
mysterious", and that can be circumscribed in the discourse of the
self-referentially correct machine. Would that help?
Bruno
> what do expect to write in your personal diary
To complete the experiment after the duplication Bruno Marchal
needs to find the person, the one unique person, who wrote all that
stuff in the diary. How does
Bruno Marchal intend to do that?
John K Clark
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