On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:06 AM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > >> if he >> [Bruno] >> slips back to talking like a normal person you have this shitty argument >> ready to deploy. > > > Normal language doesn't work worth a damn if people duplicating machines > are involved; > It works fine. Duplication machines introduce new types of ambiguity. Natural language tolerates ambiguity and provides way to disambiguate when necessary. This is why wikipedia works. Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John Can you see how it's possible to have a page about a term as ambiguous as "John"? This is also why it is so hard to program computers to use natural language, it's possible an AI-complete problem. It requires a lot of knowledge and contextual awareness to use. This is also why it's sometimes harder to communicate by email than face-to-face. A lot of contextual clues are hidden. Ambiguity is the default mode of operation of natural language. But you can use tricks to solve any ambiguity, just like Wikipedia does and just like Bruno does. > precise language is a necessity and so is precise reasoning. > And yet you ridicule any attempt at introducing technical terms in this discussion, because you consider them "home made", whatever the fuck that means. I suspect it means that you have to publish at least 3 articles in Science/Nature and have a PhD from a top American university to be allowed to introduce a new technical term. Or something along those lines. > At this point there is simply no excuse to continue to babble about "you" > and " *the *1p", especially if it's coming from a logician. > You are not arguing in good faith. If Bruno uses natural language, he's babbling. If he uses technical terms and mathematical formalism, he's using poopoo terminology. Arguing with you is attempting to play a game that cannot be won. This is a gigantic waste of time. Telmo. > > > John K Clark > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:12 AM, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> > The question is asked to any entity, or machines, before they undergo >>>> a duplication. The question is: what do you expect to live. >>>> >>> >>> The question is why does >>> >>> Bruno Marchal >>> absolutely >>> insist >>> >>> on using personal pronouns even when duplication machines makes them so >>> obviously ambiguous? >>> >> >> The question is, why does he still waste time with this discussion. >> >> Nouns are also ambiguous. Human language relies on context, it assumes >> some intelligence on the listener. Otherwise it would be really hard to say >> anything. Bruno has gone through the trouble of removing ambiguity over and >> over again, but if he slips back to talking like a normal person you have >> this shitty argument ready to deploy. You are not arguing in good faith and >> you never gave the idea a chance. You just want to show that Bruno is an >> idiot. Why you devote so much time to that effort, I don't know. It's weird. >> >> This mailing list used to be interesting. >> >> >>> >>> > what do expect to write in your personal diary >>>> >>> >>> >>>> To complete the experiment after the duplication >>> >>> Bruno Marchal needs to find the person, the one unique person, who wrote >>> all that stuff in the diary. 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