On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > On 9/6/2015 4:59 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 9/6/2015 4:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > You may not be certain, but you know what the possibilities are, and I > would argue, what the probabilites are as well. > > > Knowing possibilities isn't enough. Probability requires a measure. Of > course you're free to assume one or intuit one or guess one...but that > doesn't connect to the mechanics of the world. > I'm not trying to necessarily connect to the mechanics of the world, but to show a another way that first person indeterminancy can arise in a fully deterministic setting with full information of the protocol, even without physical duplication of the person. Jason > > > Brent > > > > What would you consider to be the minimum fair pay out X if you had to pay > $1 on each of the days, and would be awarded $X if you guessed correctly > which day it was? > > Jason > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 4:17 PM, John Mikes < <jami...@gmail.com> > jami...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Q #3 is irrelevant, after Q #2. >> The answer is "I DUNNO" unless you detect indications for a better one. >> JM >> >> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Jason Resch < <jasonre...@gmail.com> >> jasonre...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> You will undergo the following experiment: >>> >>> 1. During the weekend you will be put to sleep with a drug and not be >>> woken up until Monday. >>> 2. On monday you will be woken up and asked what day it is. *How do you >>> answer?* >>> 3. You are then given a drug to put you to sleep again and also given a >>> drug that induces amnesia of being woken up at all on Monday. >>> 4. You are woken up on Tuesday, and asked what day it is. *How do you >>> answer?* >>> >>> *If asked to ascribe a probability to it being Monday when you are woken >>> up, how do you answer on either of the days you are awoken?* >>> >> > That seems to be a purely subjective "probability". It's like saying, > "I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 10. What's the probability it's > 5?" I'm not sure you can get to Born's rule from there. > > Brent > > >>> (I am particularly interested in John Clark's answer to the final >>> question) >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to <everything-list@googlegroups.com> >>> everything-list@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at <http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit <https://groups.google.com/d/optout> >>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to <everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to <everything-list@googlegroups.com> >> everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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