On 20 Apr 2017, at 22:39, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> Bruno never suggests that, at the moment of duplication,
there is anything that is not copied. If you claim otherwise,
can you citewhere he says that?
> I will gently help a little bit John here, if you don't mind.
Not only I did claim that, but will claim it again!
Thank you Bruno.
> I say that the first person is not duplicated *from the first
person perspective*. Like Brent and/or Quentin, probably others, saw
is that I am just saying that, very obviously, the first person does
not feel the duplication.
DNA in every cell in your body is being duplicated right now, and
yet the DNA does not feel the duplication, does that mean the DNA
has not been really duplicated at all?
Yes, of course. the point is that DNA (assuming it feels something)
would not feel the split. Both copies will not feel the duplication,
ans so there are no duplication of the 1-view as seen FROM THE 1-VIEW.
> John Clark will reply that such 1-view is duplicated. He is
right, but that is the 3 view on the 1 views.
So who wrote the diaries,
The guy we talk about. He has one precise diary in Helsinki, where he
write his prediction.
who has this convoluted "the 3 view on the 1 views" and who has
"the 1-view", is it the Washington man or the Moscow man?
Both have the 1-view. We do have agree that the one in W, and the one
in M have survived and can genuinely keep their identity. That is why
we trust them both, and both says a sentence like "after opening the
reconstitution box I saw only one city X".
> John predicted once that in the movie thought experience
(iterated self-duplications); where you are duplicated 24 times per
second (24) during 1h30 (60 * 90), into as many copies can be sent
in front of one of the 2^(16180 * 10000) possible images on a screen
with 16180 * 10000 pixels, which can be black or white each.
That he will see with certainty Ingmar Bergman movie in french "les
fraises sauvages", with chinese subscripts. And then, if after the
experience we ask to one among most John Clarks,(who saw white
noise) that one will say that he knows that his prediction was true,
as he knows (how? BTW) that a John Clark has seen les fraises
sauvages. You will tell him that this is the 3-1 views and that the
question was for the 1-1-1-... view, and explain that the question
was asked to the 1p about the 1p, and John will go up to the 3-1-1,
etc.
I've never been able to make heads or tails out of your movie
thought experiment, until you explain it more clearly I have no
opinion of it.
Do you understand this:
you are duplicated 24 times per second during 1h30 into as many copies
can be sent in front of one of the 2^(16180 * 10000) possible images
on a screen with 16180 * 10000 pixels, which can be black or white each.
It is a duplication iterated (16180 * 10000) * (60 * 90) * 24 times,
so at the end there are 2^(16180 * 10000) * (60 * 90) * 24 copies.
In the original question you are asked to judge the following
prediction made by the guy before the iterated duplications
0) I will die instantaneously
1) I will experience seeing all movies (at once)
2) A black and white movie (perhaps quite avant-garde)
3) The always black movie
4) The always white movie
5) A (silent) Hitchcock movie
6) A (silent) Hitchcock movie with greek subtitle
7) A random movie (white noise)
8) Something else (to be justified).
bruno
John K Clark
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