On 29 Jul 2017, at 19:17, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> Then which ONE has THE first person experience, Moscow or
Washington?
> After duplication, one copy has THE experience of being the
one in Washington, and the other copy has THE experience of being
the one in Moscow.
Therefore before duplication asking "What one and only one city
will my THE first person experience end up in, Moscow or
Washington?" would be a very silly thing to ask,
If we talk about the body, or the person seen from outside, yes, that
would be silly.
But if we talk about the unique first person experience that anyone
would live after that duplication, the question makes as much sense as
asking the probability of HEAD when throwing a coin.
and so would assigning probabilities to the answer because there is
no answer and there is no answer because there was no question,
there was just a sequence of words with a question mark at the end.
It takes more than a question mark to form a question.
>> I've asked this question before and I expect I'll get the
same response I got before, not a one word answer but a long
paragraph of bafflegab, and at the end of it I still won't know if M
or W got THE first person experience.
> It is very simple. Both get THE first experience.
I know, and that's why the "question" about which one and only one
will get the "THE" is very simple, only a simpleton would
believe it makes any sense.
You are insulting Mister Washington Clark, and Mister Moscow Clark,
who have just realize that indeed they have survived in one city,
without having been able to predict which one among W and M it would be.
You keep doing only one half of the thought experience.
> It is *because* nobody cannot determine which one will be THE,
Not only "will be", it would be the same with "has become". Even
AFTER the event is long over NOBODY can determine which ONE ended up
with the "THE".
NOBODY outside the bow. But the old Clark in Moscow, and the old Clark
in Washington knows perfectly well which first person experience they
have lived.
You talk like if someone was claiming that a self-duplication entails
some objective 3p indeterminacy.
Yet, this has never been claimed. The argument shows only that the
self--duplication entails some first person indeterminacy.
And waiting longer won't help, nobody will ever know. And that's why
the entire thing is utterly useless.
> Let me ask you two questions.
1) Do you believe that a human can survive a WM-duplication?
Oh for christ sake!!
I take this as a "yes".
2) Do you believe that IF a human has survived some WM-duplication,
he necessarily remember having feel himself in two places
simultaneously?
Ask Mr. THE.
I rephrase the question, changing the emphases:
2) Do you believe that if A human has survived some WM-duplication, he
necessarily remember having feel himself in two places simultaneously?
Please answer,
Bruno
John K Clark
Bruno
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