On 4/5/2018 1:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 3 Apr 2018, at 19:40, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
On 4/3/2018 12:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 3 Apr 2018, at 07:22, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/31/2018 1:30 AM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Now, is a jellyfish conscious?
I bet they are, but not far away from the dissociative and constant
arithmetical consciousness (of the universal machines).
As I'm sure you're aware, I disagree with this. Jellyfish appear to be
quite simple automatons, with a distributed neural network, not any
brain as such. However, my main reason for disagreeing is that
anthropic reasoning leads us to conclude that most species of animal
are not conscious. Our most typical animal is a nematode (for instance
your favourite - the planarians), but even most insects cannot be
conscious either.
In these discussions I always wonder what kind of consciousness is meant?
1. Perception. light/dark acid/base touch...
2. Self location relative to things. Prey/predators
3. Self relative to others. Sex and territory and rivals
4. Abstractions. Number geometries
5. Self reflection. Theory of minds. Language
It is any form of knowledge. It is the raw consciousness of the worms disliking
the lack of comfort impression when, say, it is eaten by a little mammals.
Or my thermostat not liking that it too cool in the house.
I doubt this. To have consciousness you need some “[]p”, that is, a
representation of yourself
But what does that mean? Does it mean an idea of where your are? memory
and the passage of time? Does it mean a kind of simulation in which you
have an avatar? And why would you suppose a jellyfish or a nematode
would have such a representation?
plus some connection with truth.
?? Facts or axioms or proofs?
The thermostat has the connection with truth (usually)
It is connected to temperature and the furnace...so you mean facts.
but lacks the representability means. Now, the consciousness of the non-Löbian
universal machine is so disconnected that IT can believe being a thermostat
(like in some salvia reports), but that is still an illusion.
Having an illusion implies consciousness, at least according to Descarte.
Brent
Bruno
Brent
It is []t, with any weak Theaetetical reading of the box. It is needed for any
of your 5 more special use that you mention.
Bruno
Brent
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