> On 3 Apr 2018, at 08:25, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Russell, > > On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Russell Standish > <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> Now, is a jellyfish conscious? >>> >>> I bet they are, but not far away from the dissociative and constant >>> arithmetical consciousness (of the universal machines). >> >> As I'm sure you're aware, I disagree with this. Jellyfish appear to be >> quite simple automatons, with a distributed neural network, not any >> brain as such. However, my main reason for disagreeing is that >> anthropic reasoning leads us to conclude that most species of animal >> are not conscious. Our most typical animal is a nematode (for instance >> your favourite - the planarians), but even most insects cannot be >> conscious either. > > I follow your anthropic reasoning, but am not convinced by the > implicit 1:1 correspondence between one minute of human consciousness > and one human of insect consciousness. I have no rigorous way of > saying this, but my intuition is the following: there is more content > in one minute of one than the other. I think it makes sense for the > probabilities to be weighted by this content, somehow. > > Imagine a simple possibility: your anthropic reasoning being weighed > by the number of neurons in the given creature. See what I'm getting > at?
Then the brain seems to be a filter of the natural raw consciousness which is at the start of the consciousness differentiation. The less neurons there are, the more consciousness is intense from the first person view, but also the more it is disconnected. I have no doubt that this is very counter-intuitive for people having no memory of a dissociative state of consciousness, but then it makes much more simple the explanation of the origin of the physical appearances. Peano arithmetic is less conscious than Robinson arithmetic, even if Robinson arithmetic if of a type of white light so luminous that we can distinguish nothing, not even 0 and 1. It might be the state of "very near inconsistency”. This is not part of what I ahem published so far, but again, logic, observations and simplicity concur on this. Bruno > > Cheers, > Telmo. > >> >> -- >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) >> Principal, High Performance Coders >> Visiting Senior Research Fellow [email protected] >> Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
