On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 2:32:50 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 9 Apr 2018, at 18:19, John Clark <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > > On 9 Apr 2018, at 03:19, Bruce Kellett <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> >> Yes, Bruno is terminally confused about non-locality. He refused to >> even comment on my simple proof of non-locality in an Everettian context. > > > > > ? I did answer to your remarks, anyone can verify this by looking at the >> archive. > > Bruce get used to it, Bruno has done the same thing with me for years. > I've lost count of how many times I've presented a long argument and Bruno > responds with "I've already debunked that argument in a previous post" but > he never says where all those brilliant posts are, > > It is easy to find them in the archive, but as you are stuck in the step 3 > of the universal dovetailer, and claim to have debunked where everyone on > the list point to you that you were dismissing the distinction between the > first person (1p) view and the third person view. > > > > > or give any hint of what was in them, or point to anybody who has actually > seen one of them. As far as Everett is concerned long ago I tried to > explain to Bruno that a Everettian other world was about as non-local as > you can get, > > Phenomenologically only. But that non-locality does not allow any physical > influence at a distance. Even those not exploitable for communication at a > distance. > > But, contrary to what you said, only Bruce has tried to show that we keep > some influence at a distance in Everett, but convince nobody, and his > “Everett interpretation” used a notion of “world” which has been shown > inconsistent already with Mechanism. > > > > but once again he just said he already proved that was not true > > ? > > Never said that. On the contrary I have always referred, for this non > locality question in Everett, to either Deustch and Hayden paper, or > Tipler’s paper, or Price Webpage https://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm > > > in yet another mysterious post nobody has ever seen. > >> > As usual, he is ruled by dogmatic beliefs rather than logical argument. > > Yes, > > Yes? Which dogmatic belief. You are the one who invoke his ontological > commitment to stop reasoning (cf step 3). > > You might try to explain this to Grayson, as he did not follow those > discussions, and seems like many to ignore the metaphysical consequence of > indexical computationalism. >
*I have no clue what it is, to ignore or not. Also, in saying physics is a work in progress, I didn't necessarily mean that consciousness couldn't eventually be included in a Final Theory. So I am not an Aristotelian if that means necessarily believing in the primary nature of physical matter. For me, it's an open question. AG* > I doubt you will succeed to be franc, as you are the only person I met who > have a problem at this stage. Step seven is more often criticised, because > people, especially physicists tend to confuse a computation with a physical > computation, like they confuse the notion of reality with the notion of > physical reality, which is basically the Aristotelian theology/metaphysics. > > > and yet Bruno claims to be a logician. Very odd. > > > I have never claim anything like that. I did refer to my PhD thesis in > mathematical logic, for obvious reason. > > Bruno > > > > John K Clark > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <javascript:>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
