On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 5:19:03 AM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2018-05-30 11:27 GMT+02:00 Lawrence Crowell <[email protected] > <javascript:>>: > >> On Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 1:25:19 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> You miss my point that no one, no physicists, no philosopher, starts out >>> by defining "primary matter". It is your invention as a straw man to be >>> defeated by computationalism. Some physicists and some philosophers may >>> suppose that the stuff described by physics is enough to explain the world >>> we observe; but most also suppose that it is not "primary". They look for >>> a deeper more unified ur-stuff and many physicists have followed Wheeler >>> and Tegmark in thinking of the equations of mathematical physics as simply >>> defining the ur-stuff. >>> >>> Brent >>> >> >> This and other old philosophical ideas are of no utility in physics. >> There is no physical meaning to terms such as primary matter. >> > > Primary matter is a metaphysical idea about the reality... so of course it > is of no utility in physics... but physics don't tell us anything about > what is reality. >
Quantum physics tells us that reality is not definable, or in some sense there is not such thing as reality in the standard ontological definition. > > Everythingism are metaphysical idea about what is reality... so if your > concern is only in utility, philosophy doesn't concern you... > > Materialism, physicalim, computationalism, deism etc are metaphysical, > philosophical and about what reality is... physics is about prediction on > the reality, not about what ultimately reality is... it answers how, not > what and why... > Most likely the only thing that counts as ultimate reality is the vacuum, which is a form of nothingness. LC > > The problem is with people equating physics whith physicalism... they're > not the same, one is a metaphysical idea about the nature of reality. > > Quentin > > >> >> LC >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
