> On 25 Jun 2018, at 18:37, Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 6/25/2018 3:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 23 Jun 2018, at 08:03, Brent Meeker <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/22/2018 4:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>>> This does not mean that a conscious machine is necessarily more >>>>>> efficacious on all task, >>>>> What is the added undecideable sentence implied by consciousness? >>>> “I am conscious”. >>> >>> What does that speed up? Does the speed up from adding an undeciable >>> sentence suffer from Goodheart's curse? >>> >> >> Not sure what you mean. I would say “no”, in theory “I am not conscious” can >> also bring a speed-up, despite being obviously consistent, like PA with “I >> am inconsistent”. The speed-up is proved by constructive diagonalisation, >> and is thus non-intuitive, except we can imagine than being aware of one’s >> consciousness might help to planning, especially in an environment habited >> by conscious entities. >> Consciousness is *the* speed-up mechanism. It makes us thinking using model, >> semantic, meaning, instead of living the syntactical relation at some low >> level. Meaning is easier than proof, even if it can be misleading for >> individuals, it gives sense to sense, and priorities to higher goal, like >> surviving. > > That all sounds like wishful thinking and hand-waving.
Not really. It is complicated theorems. > As I pointed out earlier, if you try to play tennis consciously you will lose > because you will be slow. On the contrary, you will be able to move more quickly that the adversary, in principle, in the long terms. That is why self-moving animals have developed more rapidly communicating cells, to anticipate/bet on the local future, without which we would even never play tennis. You might be confusing “being conscious” with “being conscious of being conscious”, which indeed would slow down if too much emphasise, like the famous millipedes losing its walking ability hen asking itself how it use its “thousand” legs. > Conscious thought no doubt helps in planning, but it also allows depression > and suicide. Dogs don't commit suicide. Some dogs died after having refused to eat anything when their master/friend died. I agree it is not yet an intentional suicide, but dogs are not that dumb. The more we have neurons, the more stupidities we can do. It is the price of a Turing universal local reality, and of our own Turing universality. Bruno > > Brent > > >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >>> Brent >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >>> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >> <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
