On 6/26/2018 11:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 25 Jun 2018, at 18:37, Brent Meeker <[email protected]
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On 6/25/2018 3:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 23 Jun 2018, at 08:03, Brent Meeker <[email protected]
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On 6/22/2018 4:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
This does not mean that a conscious machine is necessarily more efficacious on
all task,
What is the added undecideable sentence implied by consciousness?
“I am conscious”.
What does that speed up? Does the speed up from adding an
undeciable sentence suffer from Goodheart's curse?
Not sure what you mean. I would say “no”, in theory “I am not
conscious” can also bring a speed-up, despite being obviously
consistent, like PA with “I am inconsistent”. The speed-up is proved
by constructive diagonalisation, and is thus non-intuitive, except
we can imagine than being aware of one’s consciousness might help to
planning, especially in an environment habited by conscious entities.
Consciousness is *the* speed-up mechanism. It makes us thinking
using model, semantic, meaning, instead of living the syntactical
relation at some low level. Meaning is easier than proof, even if it
can be misleading for individuals, it gives sense to sense, and
priorities to higher goal, like surviving.
That all sounds like wishful thinking and hand-waving.
Not really. It is complicated theorems.
As I pointed out earlier, if you try to play tennis consciously you
will lose because you will be slow.
On the contrary, you will be able to move more quickly that the
adversary, in principle, in the long terms. That is why self-moving
animals have developed more rapidly communicating cells, to
anticipate/bet on the local future, without which we would even never
play tennis.
You might be confusing “being conscious” with “being conscious of
being conscious”, which indeed would slow down if too much emphasise,
like the famous millipedes losing its walking ability hen asking
itself how it use its “thousand” legs.
Which is being conscious of walking, not being conscious of being
conscious of walking. Just like being conscious of how to hit the
tennis ball will ruin you game. It is necessary when learning to play
(and you are bad at it). But Roger Federer never thinks "Now I will
swing in an upward arc so as to cause top spin." He thinks, "Hit to the
left corner."
Brent
Conscious thought no doubt helps in planning, but it also allows
depression and suicide. Dogs don't commit suicide.
Some dogs died after having refused to eat anything when their
master/friend died. I agree it is not yet an intentional suicide, but
dogs are not that dumb. The more we have neurons, the more stupidities
we can do. It is the price of a Turing universal local reality, and of
our own Turing universality.
Bruno
Brent
Bruno
Brent
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