> On 21 Aug 2018, at 02:53, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 12:20:19PM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: >> >> >> On 8/20/2018 11:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> When we assume compationalism. Yes. In that case consciousness is >> associated with a digital self-referential entity which cannot distinguish >> a “bottom” (primary) physical reality from an arithmetical reality >> >> >> But you didn't show that. > > This is directly the result at step 7 of the UDA. And it is pretty much > required for the Church Turing thesis to hold. Of course, step 7 relies on > robustness of the *-verse, for which step 8 is the remedy. > > But already, I believe the *-verse must be robust, as otherwise quantum > computing supremacy will never work. Empirical support of this contention is > due real soon now™. So I suspect step 8 could well be consigned to the > dustbin of history... > >> You only showed that it would be true if the digital >> entity were immersed in an environment. You argued that the environment >> could >> also be digital...but the doctor couldn't provide that. But then your >> argument >> fails. You've only shown that the digital entity can exist in a digital >> environment consisting of digital matter (including the entities digital >> brain). So you've just replicated the world except you've appended "digital" >> in front of every noun and relation. If everything is digital, then digital >> matter may be primary in this digital world. The adjective "digital" has >> lost >> it's metaphysical significance...unless you can derive some observable >> consequence of "digital". >> > > This is a critique of step 8 (the MGA), which curryfies the environment into > the computation. My money's on robustness being empirically confirmed in the > next few decades…
I would say that the robustness has never cease to be confirmed. It is what we live everyday. But to solve the mind-body problem, we have to explain that robustness by the “many-dreams internal interpretation of arithmetic/combinator/…”. Bruno > > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Senior Research Fellow [email protected] > Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
