> On 11 Oct 2018, at 19:26, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >>You can't do metaphysics with a scientific attitude, if you could it > >>wouldn't be metaphysics, it would just be physics. Metaphysics means > >>unscientific speculation about physics. > > >That is why I prefer the term theology. > > That's pretty silly, metaphysics is a vastly better word to use in > philosophical speculation. Both metaphysics and theology are unscientific but > theology necessarily implies God while metaphysics doesn't.
That is an opinion of radical pseudo-religious people. There is no scientific domain. There is only a scientific attitude, and this can be applied in any domain. The separation of religion from science is an invention by people wanting to use religion to control people, and steal their money. > > > Of course I always mean “fundamental science”. > > Theology isn't science, fundamental or otherwise. As I said, I use the term theology in the original sense of those who coined that term, and explain it. The god of Plato is the truth that we search. Theology is the fundamental science for anyone ready to assume that there is a reality. Since Gödel, we know that for rational machine, if there is a reality satisfying their belief, then the proposition “there is a reality satisfying my belief” makes them inconsistent. For such machine “I am consistent” and “there isa reality satisfying my beliefs” are synonymous. What I just alluded too is Gödel incompleteness theorem: <>t, that is ~[]f is true IFF there is a model satisfying t (and, as all models satisfy t, this is equivalent with saying that such a model exist). > > > The original question of the greeks [......... > > Sorry, I didn't hear what you said after that, I fell asleep. I guess you do that very often. There is no people more deaf than those who does not want to listen. But thanks for the collection of evidence that the non-agnostic atheists are just radical christians in disguise. Bruno > > John K Clark > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
