On 11/9/2018 4:51 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
From: *Brent Meeker* <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
You're dodging my point. The "issue" of how we have subjective
experience only seems to be an issue because in comparison to the
"objective" experience of matter where we can trace long,
mathematically define causal chains down to...a Lagrangian and
coupling constants or something similar, which is long enough and
esoteric enough that almost everyone loses interest along the way.
But some people (like Vic) are going to say, "But where does the
Langrangian and coupling constants come from?" and "Why a Lagrangian
anyway?" My point is that when we can give a similarly deep and
detailed account of why you think of an elephant when reading this,
then nobody will worry about "the hard problem of consciousness";
just like they don't worry about "the hard problems of matter" like
where that Lagrangian comes from or why a complex Hilbert space.
Why can't I worry about those things? Where does the Lagrangian come
from? And why use a complex Hilbert space? I don't think this is the
underlying reason for saying that the "hard problem" of consciousness
dissolves on solving the engineering problems. Solving the engineering
problems will enable us to produce a fully conscious AI -- but will we
then know how it works? We will certainly know where it came from.....
I just meant those as current examples. Suppose you find that
Lagrangians come from POVI, as Vic proposed. Then one can ask, "Why
POVI?" Vic implied it was a choice, but that didn't explain why is an
available choice. So I think both the problem of consciousness and the
problem of matter are both "hard"; the problem of matter seems "easy"
because we've come a long way in 400yrs of solving the engineering
problems of matter.
Brent
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