> On 20 Dec 2018, at 12:05, Bruce Kellett <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:21 PM Jason Resch <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > If you include all events as as present moments, and say that they all exist, > then how is this different from the block-time view (which says only that all > points in time exist and are real)? > > They differ in exactly the same was a 10^80 protons differs from one proton. > The block-time view claims that all moments exist timelessly and > simultaneously. > > I think your addition of the word "simultaneously" is invalid and incorrect. > It is enough to say timelessly. Simultaneously is an observer's > reference-frame dependent phenomenon. It has no objective meaning. > > The trouble is that the very concept of "timeless" involves some "super > time" dimension. The only possible interpretation is that the unchanging > block endures for ever in some other temporal dimension. Any slice of that > temporal dimension across the block is a moment of simultaneity. The very > notion of "timeless" is a temporal concept.
That is why I prefer to say that arithmetic is “out of time”. But that gives a counter example to the need of a temporal concept at all to define “timeless” in general. You are still assuming physicalism. Bruno > > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
