> On 20 Dec 2018, at 12:05, Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:21 PM Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com > <mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruce Kellett <bhkellet...@gmail.com > <mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > If you include all events as as present moments, and say that they all exist, > then how is this different from the block-time view (which says only that all > points in time exist and are real)? > > They differ in exactly the same was a 10^80 protons differs from one proton. > The block-time view claims that all moments exist timelessly and > simultaneously. > > I think your addition of the word "simultaneously" is invalid and incorrect. > It is enough to say timelessly. Simultaneously is an observer's > reference-frame dependent phenomenon. It has no objective meaning. > > The trouble is that the very concept of "timeless" involves some "super > time" dimension. The only possible interpretation is that the unchanging > block endures for ever in some other temporal dimension. Any slice of that > temporal dimension across the block is a moment of simultaneity. The very > notion of "timeless" is a temporal concept.
That is why I prefer to say that arithmetic is “out of time”. But that gives a counter example to the need of a temporal concept at all to define “timeless” in general. You are still assuming physicalism. Bruno > > Bruce > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
