On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 5:32:52 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:
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> On 12/29/2018 2:44 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:
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> On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 3:39:25 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: 
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>> On 12/29/2018 12:50 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:
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>> On Saturday, December 29, 2018 at 11:02:30 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: 
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>>> On 12/29/2018 1:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: 
>>> > I use number because people are more familiar with them. Most people 
>>> > can easily conceived that “17 is odd” is true independently of them, 
>>> > but would have an harder time to conceive that KKK=K independent of 
>>> > them, even if this does not mean much more than the first (left) 
>>> > projection of (K, K) is K. 
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>>> That's a good example.  People would immediately recognize that KKK=K is 
>>> just a convention.  They are deceived that "17 is odd" is an eternal 
>>> truth independent of human thought because they generalize from their 
>>> experience with physically countable things. 
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>>> Brent 
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>> I was thinking that if there is a group X of objects of the same mass, if 
>> X can be split into two groups A and B separated by a distance such that A 
>> and B pull (gravitate towards) each other equally, then X is even.
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>> Forces are equal and opposite (from conservation of momentum) no matter 
>> how the objects are grouped.
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>> Brent
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>> (or something like that)
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>> So gravity knows even and odd. :)
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>> - pt
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> I thought *gravity could tell the difference between even and odd*, like 
> there is no way to separate an *odd number* of pennies on a balance scale 
> [ https://www.mathsisfun.com/definitions/balance-scales.html ] and have 
> the scales be in balance.
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> OK.  That's comparing the attraction to a third body (the Earth) not into 
> two groups that gravitate toward each other.
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> Brent
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Anyway, my main point of the example of course:

There is no "even" or "odd" prior to the existence of* matter.*

- pt 

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