On Sunday, December 30, 2018 at 7:35:26 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 30 Dec 2018, at 08:33, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
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> There is no "even" or "odd" prior to the existence of* matter.*
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> With some act of faith in some notion of matter. No problem with this, 
> unless this is used in conjunction with Mechanism.
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> But there is a problem with this view in the foundations of physics, as 
> physicist presuppose numbers in their theories. That works FAPP, but is a 
> problem, even without mechanism, in the materialistic ontologies.
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> Bruno
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By "matter" I just mean all "the stuff" there is. 

"Numbers" are merely (human-made) language entities used in communicating 
(human-made) theories about "the stuff".  

- pt

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