> On 4 May 2019, at 02:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 5/3/2019 2:00 PM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> On Friday, May 3, 2019 at 3:26:26 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 5/3/2019 12:00 PM, [email protected] <javascript:> wrote: >>> >>> >>> If "consciousness doesn't supervene on physical [or material] computation" >>> then does that mean there is realm for (A) consciousness and one for (B) >>> physical [or material] computation? >> >> No, the theory is that all possible computations (the UD) exist and they >> instantiate all conscious thoughts, including those we call perception of an >> external reality. There isn't anymore to reality; it's just the >> statistical regularities among the different threads of the UD. At least >> that's Bruno's idea. >> >> Brent >>> >> >> >> There could be UD-computing that is being executed by the brain. One can't >> rule this out a priori. >> >> I just say if so, it is being executed in a material substrate - the brain! >> >> There is no heavenly realm where UD-computing is churning away. > > The question is whether there is a realm consisting of arithmetic.
If there is none, then there is no more physical science at all. To have any physical science capable of explaining brains, or even my laptop, you need to assume that 2+2=4 and its consequences. Primary matter is not something observable, in any direct way. We can only asses or refute it by meaning numbers, that is, experimental physics. Now, with just a bit more than arithmetic, we can define the realm of arithmetic: it is the structure (N, 0, +, x). It is used in the definition of real and complex numbers, which are assumed in most physical theories. Bruno > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1F886ABC-7AB6-49F9-B69A-47554E8708C9%40ulb.ac.be. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
