> On 6 May 2019, at 17:32, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Relax! There is no "matter". "Matter" is just an idea in consciousness. So > yeah, final verdict: "cybernatic hocus-bogus" is just a crackpot idea.
Mechanism implies that Matter is an idea of consciousness. But “just” is bragging. It took me 30 years of work to prove it, in the peer-reviewed way. To use insulting word, or any form of violence, is the argument of those who can’t argue, or does not want to argue. Bruno > > On Sunday, 5 May 2019 16:25:26 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > You keep trotting out the term "cybernetic delusion" as if it's a problem. > But it's just an assumption I make, that consciousness is identified with > cybernetic dynamics. I'm exploring the consequences of that idea, which are > compelling IMO. > > You or anyone else can feel free to adopt or not adopt that assumption. But > it's not a delusion. Calling it that suggests there's a more correct way to > view consciousness. But you haven't been clear about what that is, > vacillating between "only certain kinds of matter can be conscious" and "all > matter is conscious". If you adopt panpsychism, you fall prey to the > cybernetic delusion yourself. And when you don't, you fail to explain what > privileges certain kinds of matter over others. It seems pretty clear to me > that there's no principled way to do that... any explanation of why brains > can be conscious but not computers starts to sound suspiciously like "spirit" > and "soul", in the sense that you're invoking some property of matter that > cannot be detected. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/F3A499B8-44E5-45A8-88BD-18123010580D%40ulb.ac.be. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
