Lets cut to the chase folks. In the US, the rich bribe politicians who depend 
on millions and billions of donations from the rich or PAC's thereof. With dems 
you get dead-silence, when I present evidence of corporations that bribe the 
democrats, and the republicans gladly take goodies from the kochs. Also, the 
Upper Row of the US Chamber of Commerce. I call this a Plutocracy but I have no 
working solution for this. I just don't like the lie that both parties ARE NOT 
plutocrats. 


-----Original Message-----
From: John Clark <[email protected]>
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Sent: Wed, Jun 5, 2019 9:00 am
Subject: Re: anrcho-libertarianism

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 1:17 AM 'Brent Meeker'  
<[email protected]> wrote:

 > Capitalism assumes that one can own things, especially money.  But without 
 > government to adjudicate and enforce claims of ownership, you couldn't own 
 > any more than you could carry on your back at a dead run. 

Obviously law is meaningless without enforcement, but as I explained in some 
detail in my previous post governments are not the only thing that can make 
laws or enforce them, corporations could do that too, and they would do it 
better than government. I am convinced that if we were starting from scratch 
that would be the way to go, but of course we are not starting from scratch, 
far from it. So at this point we must just do the best we can with what already 
exists. And like it or not government exists.

 > Most of the rich people in the U.S. are rich in virtue of owning stuff, not 
 > making stuff.


Thanks to the tax and inheritance laws (which Trump wants to make even more 
extreme) most rich people in the USA are rich because they chose their parents 
wisely. 
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