On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 5:12:38 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 24 Jun 2019, at 11:26, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>>
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> On Monday, June 24, 2019 at 4:13:51 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 24 Jun 2019, at 05:27, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
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>> On 6/23/2019 1:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> That sounds a bit observer dependent.
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>> Yes. It is. The physical reality becomes a first person plural view of
>> arithmetic seen by itself from the universal number/machine perspective. An
>> observer is just a (Löbian) machine seen from the material modes of the
>> self ([]p & p with p sigma_1, or []p & <>t, or []p & <>t & p).
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>> Which raises the question of why we each see (from the inside) the same
>> physical world.
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>> It is a symptom that we are not more than universal numbers, given that
>> we get the conclusion that all universal machine/number have the same
>> physics.
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>> Digital Mechanism provides a new powerful invariant for physics: the
>> physical laws are invariant for all observers, and is invariant for the
>> change of the ontology (combinators, numbers, etc.).
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>> Digital mechanism explains why there is an apparent physical universe,
>> and why the laws of physics are really laws, and, and this is better than
>> physics, why the physical reality separates into sharable quanta, and non
>> sharable qualia.
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>> Bruno
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> That every "universal machine/number" has "the same physics" would be
> consistent with materialism:
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> Yes. But materialism is not consistent with the stronger assumption of
> Mechanism. The strong AI thesis is consistent with Materialism, although
> not quite plausible. But weak materialism is inconsistent with the
> indexical part of Digital mechanism: the idea that “I” survive the digital
> transplantation. In that case I am “in arithmetic”, and physics has to be
> the sum on all relative computations.
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> There is just matter (that's all the cosmos is), and it's the matter that
> ever was or will be.
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> OK. But there a no evidences, and there are evidences to the contrary.
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> "Materialism is a philosophical perspective according to which all that
> occurs or exists has its origin and cause in matter and its
> transformations."
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> https://www.academia.edu/38046481/A_Survey_of_Materialism_in_Thought_and_Communication
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> And Weak Materialism is the more weak belief that some matter exists at
> the ontological level. But that weak form of materialism is inconsistent
> with mechanism. You would need a non Turing emulable explanation of the
> role of consciousness and matter to subtract them from the prediction based
> on the infinitely many dynamical representation that you have in
> arithmetic. See my paper or ask me any question if this is not yet clear.
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> Bruno
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The model of man represents the unity of *the two material aspects*:
a physiological [physical] body and a [phenomenological] psychical
body.
https://www.academia.edu/35755477/Man_versus_Computer_Difference_of_the_Essences._The_Problem_of_the_Scientific_Creation
@philipthrift
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