On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 3:55:26 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 25 Jun 2019, at 20:17, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 10:44:18 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> The universal machine provides an account of its >> body/code/theory/finite-things/number (the []p of G1 and Z1, according to >> some nuances, as well as G1* and Z1*). >> >> I don’t know what you mean by psychical body. With mechanism, the very >> notion of body is psychical, and the soul is not material, not even >> reducible (by the machine itself) to anything 3p-representable. >> >> With mechanism, we can be neutral on some informon particle or psychon, >> as long as their relevant doing is Turing emulable. >> >> From a logical point of view, your theory might still be confirmed in the >> universal machine discourses and phenomenologies. >> >> We have started the interview of the universal machines relatively >> recently, 1931. It is an infinite story. Today we want to believe that they >> are docile slaves, but even without mechanism, they somehow warned us that >> they aren’t. >> >> Bruno >> >> > > > The "psychical body" is just the fundamental panpsychic assumption: Just > as we think things have physical properties (mass, charge, polarity, ...) > we think those same things have psychical (or experiential) properties > (qualia, phenomenologicals like colors, taste, freedom, happiness, > selfness, …). > > > Of course we have already agree to disagree on this. I mean, I do not > assume the physical reality, and with mechanism, things like mass, charge > .. have to be explained from G*, qG* (number theology, as I call it). > > > > Modal provability mathematics relates to them - *experiential semantics* > - as being a (possible) *denotational semantics *counterpoint. > > > That seems nice, but if that work, that would be a reason more to > distinguish “pan” (in oanpsychism) from anything physical, given that the > modal provability logic are consequence of arithmetic (without further > assumption). > > Bruno > > >
In the end I can see *number crunching* - of numbers of whatever level or "universality" - only being a mere model (or simulation) *at best* of what there is in reality - which is called* matter*. @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/7d6922db-dfca-4bad-88f8-5d8df790eafb%40googlegroups.com.
