> On 21 Jul 2019, at 18:37, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 9:29 AM Bruno Marchal <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >> LISP machines were just Turing Machines > > > Nonsense. > > OK let me see if I've got this right: you think it is nonsense to believe > that a Turing Machine could simulate a computer that became obsolete more > than 30 years ago. Is that what you're saying? Is that the hill you're > willing to die on? > >> >>>>I am telling you that matter is needed to make that happen, in this case >> >>>>the matter in the microprocessor of the computer that is running the >> >>>>video game that is using Bitcoins as money. >> >> >>> But why? > >> Why what? > > > Why assuming primary matter, > > I don't care if you assume "primary matter" or not regardless of what that > piece of philosophical gobbledygook happens to mean today. I am just telling > you that matter is needed to mine Bitcoins that you can use to buy stuff.
Relatively to us, no-one doubt this, but that does not make it more or less real than the relative matter observable by people emulated in arithmetic (indeed, it is shown that can’t avoid from their first person points of view). > > > what is it, and how would that make a computation more real than others? > > A Bitcoin that can be used to buy a car is real, and a calculation used to > mine that Bitcoin is more real than a calculation that lacks this Bitcoin > mining car buying property. In your theology. But when theology with the scientific method, we can’t assume a theology at the start. Well, you can do that, actually, and just continue the reasoning using mechanism, and get the contradiction. Then you have to abandon either mechanism, or your materialist ontology. >> > Why to make that assumption, > >> What assumption? That the God Matter is primitively real. > > > The assumption that there is a physical universe, and that in metaphysics > > [...] > > If you've taught me one thing it's that metaphysics is crap, so assume > anything you like about it, I don't care. Insulting and dismiss tone is the trick of those who have no arguments. Bruno > > John K Clark > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0ibo8g07Fz8iQA0-no%3DkWGT3M-qTVLY3vuT1dZB9cERQ%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0ibo8g07Fz8iQA0-no%3DkWGT3M-qTVLY3vuT1dZB9cERQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/65AFD9B2-0B4E-40F8-8F79-92CACA618E88%40ulb.ac.be.
