> On 22 Aug 2019, at 11:32, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Thursday, August 22, 2019 at 3:34:02 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Aug 2019, at 21:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > > <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 8/21/2019 1:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> So A explains why there is only one M possible > > > > So what is the one possible M? Physicist build 10 billion dollar machines > > to try to find out. If you can do it from your desk, let's hear about it? > > A part of this has been already done, and I have explained it here. Once you > assume Mechanism, it is conceptually very simple, the physical reality > emerges from the conditional statistics on all computations, and it works > already by justifying the quantum shape of the physical reality. Only the > future will show if what they found with the 10 billion dollars machine could > have been deduced from arithmetic; or if it belongs to some geographical type > of reality. > In most case, you can bet that observation will be quicker than deduction in > arithmetic, but that has nothing to do with the conceptual question. > Arithmetic already explains why observation provides information more quicker > than the very hard derivation that Mechanism makes obligatory, if we want to > keep both the quanta and the qualia. > > The key, is that when we assume digital mechanism, there is just no choice in > the matter (sorry for the pun). > > Bruno > > > > > > Even if Arithmetic "explains" (all) Matter, exactly in the sense of your > theory: > > From a pragmatic POV, to make things (new computers, robots, vehicles, foods, > ... ) there is no such thing as arithmetics stores to go to and get what is > needed to build things out of. You have to go to materials stores to actually > get what is needed to make anything.
You are right. To use computationalism to make a physical prediction would be like to use the LARC in Geneva to taste a pizza. The goal of metaphysics is not the same as the goal of physics. Those sciences are related, even differently in fiction of the metaphysical assumptions, but they have quite different goals. Physics try to make efficacious predictions, Metaphysics try to explains where we come from, what we can hope or fear, where we ara going, why matter seems to hurt, and who are those “we”, etc. Bruno > > @philipthrift > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c5a75345-9f97-431f-8cfe-1dc475a0ed30%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/c5a75345-9f97-431f-8cfe-1dc475a0ed30%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1DE20360-75A2-41F9-9413-0A54D88FF0BC%40ulb.ac.be.
