> On 22 Sep 2019, at 17:39, Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:34 PM Bruce Kellett <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 11:46 AM Jason Resch <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > On Thursday, September 19, 2019, Alan Grayson <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > I don't believe in repeats and I haven't seen any proofs that they occur, > just assertions from the usual suspects. AG > > Imagine a movie in 1280x720 pixels, then the same in 1920x1080 pixels then > in 3840x2160 pixels... always the same but with more and more "precision", > once you are at the correct substitution level (the level at which your > consciousness is preserved) then any more precise simulation thant the ones > at the correct level (which exists by assumption and there are an infinity of > them) does not make any difference, but there are an infinity of them (at the > correct level and below it). > > Let's suppose we correspond possible universes with the positive integers, > and also assume there's a property with uncountable outcomes, such as a > continuous mass in some range for any particle of your choice. No matter how > many countable universes you can imagine, there's no necessity for any > repeats of the mass of your particle; hence, no repeats of any universe. AG > > If finite precision of a continuous quantity is used, the outcomes are not > uncountable. > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > > I specifically used a COUNTABLE model as a possible counter example of the > necessary existence of copies. AG > > Do you think the number of mental states a human can possibly have is finite, > countably infinite or uncountably infinite? > > What I have shown is that it's hypothetically possible to have countable > universes wherein there are no repeats, no exact copies. AG > > It might be imaginable but there being no duplicates of any finite spaces > within an infinite space violates the Bekenstein bound and holographic > principle. > > That is simply false. The duplicates could contain no information. The > Bekenstein bound applies to black holes, suggesting that if the infinite > space has a finite matter density, it will close to form a BH. The > holographic principle is a conjecture based on disfavoured string theory. > > Both places absolute finite limits on the information content of a finite > volume containing finite energy. Is this no longer a favored theory in > physics? > > If a finite region does contain finite information, then in an infinite > (homogeneous) space, that same finite pattern will reappear infinitely. > > This is a consequence also of eternal inflation, and Guth used almost > identical language saying everything that can happen happens an infinite > number of times.
Which is a theorem in arithmetic. Assuming a physical universe is not just needed, it cannot work at all, unless Mechanism is false. Bruno > > Jason > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUg4-KC4OW-GRKj66ysXpRS7UufBmeeKbMLMD%3D45Pxeeqg%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUg4-KC4OW-GRKj66ysXpRS7UufBmeeKbMLMD%3D45Pxeeqg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/F3F42A65-759C-4FB3-8F22-42ECF2D08590%40ulb.ac.be.
