> On 4 May 2020, at 15:27, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Le lun. 4 mai 2020 à 14:15, Lawrence Crowell > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > a écrit : > On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 10:14:10 PM UTC-5, smitra wrote: > On 03-05-2020 23:09, Philip Thrift wrote: > > The SSH > > > > https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/22/2/247 > > <https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/22/2/247> > > > > still lies in the "information turn" that plays in physics today.(IT > > FROM QUBIT, etc.) - a rejection pf materialism in favor of idealism. > > > > It is more interesting to me to stick to the vocabulary of > > materialist* physics - particles, fields, interactions, forces - but > > to approach CONSCIOUSNESS AS PURELY MATERIAL - adding a new > > force/interaction/particle/field as needed (like a sixth force/field). > > > > http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Field_theories_of_consciousness > > <http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Field_theories_of_consciousness> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_theories_of_consciousness > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_theories_of_consciousness> > > > > etc. > > > > * or physicalist > > > > @philipthrift > > Physicalism is a dead end. The hard problem of consciousness and other > philosophical problems can be considered to be no-go theorems against > physicalism. Abandoning physicalism solves all these problems in one > fell swoop. But that also opens the door to wrong theories as people > engaging with non-physicalist theories can too easily advertise their > pet theories because they don't suffer from all the diseases physicalist > theories suffer from. The bar has to be set higher, I would like to see > a derivation of the laws of physics, not some vague argument that it is > consistent with QM and unitary evolution but a lot more detail than just > that. > > Saibal > > I think more likely this mean the hard problem or qualia are illusions. I > have far more confidence in physics than I do in hopeful ideas about qualia, > which are psychological form of elan vital thought in previous centuries to > underlie biology. > > Either you have no quale, and then as a zombie... it could mean something > (but not to you), or you have, and if a theory cannot account for that, it > miss the things it purpose to explain. > > When you say "psychological form" you're talking about a quale... I don't see > how that could be explained away…
Yes, LC’s comment is self-refuting. Bruno > > Quentin > > > LC > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/fc14bd06-c600-4e6a-abf1-b73943d36617%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/fc14bd06-c600-4e6a-abf1-b73943d36617%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger > Hauer) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMW2kAoznb2X48gQq0domodP-%3DKU84o4VwZKtOw6xRSqLJJYtw%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMW2kAoznb2X48gQq0domodP-%3DKU84o4VwZKtOw6xRSqLJJYtw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/AFA0BAE8-C28F-45A0-9E8C-33DC70ABDE2F%40ulb.ac.be.
