Le lun. 4 mai 2020 à 14:15, Lawrence Crowell < [email protected]> a écrit :
> On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 10:14:10 PM UTC-5, smitra wrote: >> >> On 03-05-2020 23:09, Philip Thrift wrote: >> > The SSH >> > >> > https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/22/2/247 >> > >> > still lies in the "information turn" that plays in physics today.(IT >> > FROM QUBIT, etc.) - a rejection pf materialism in favor of idealism. >> > >> > It is more interesting to me to stick to the vocabulary of >> > materialist* physics - particles, fields, interactions, forces - but >> > to approach CONSCIOUSNESS AS PURELY MATERIAL - adding a new >> > force/interaction/particle/field as needed (like a sixth force/field). >> > >> > http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Field_theories_of_consciousness >> > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_theories_of_consciousness >> > >> > etc. >> > >> > * or physicalist >> > >> > @philipthrift >> >> Physicalism is a dead end. The hard problem of consciousness and other >> philosophical problems can be considered to be no-go theorems against >> physicalism. Abandoning physicalism solves all these problems in one >> fell swoop. But that also opens the door to wrong theories as people >> engaging with non-physicalist theories can too easily advertise their >> pet theories because they don't suffer from all the diseases physicalist >> theories suffer from. The bar has to be set higher, I would like to see >> a derivation of the laws of physics, not some vague argument that it is >> consistent with QM and unitary evolution but a lot more detail than just >> that. >> >> Saibal > > > I think more likely this mean the hard problem or qualia are illusions. I > have far more confidence in physics than I do in hopeful ideas about > qualia, which are psychological form of elan vital thought in previous > centuries to underlie biology. > Either you have no quale, and then as a zombie... it could mean something (but not to you), or you have, and if a theory cannot account for that, it miss the things it purpose to explain. When you say "psychological form" you're talking about a quale... I don't see how that could be explained away... Quentin > LC > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/fc14bd06-c600-4e6a-abf1-b73943d36617%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/fc14bd06-c600-4e6a-abf1-b73943d36617%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAMW2kAoznb2X48gQq0domodP-%3DKU84o4VwZKtOw6xRSqLJJYtw%40mail.gmail.com.
