On 11/18/2022 2:19 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 4:51 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:

    /> That's an energy density lower than the surrounding vacuum. The
    conducting plates exclude longer wavelengths relative to their
    spacing.  This is not the same as negative energy in the vacuum./


If you assume the surrounding vacuum has a zero energy density, which is an entirely reasonable assumption to make because that is a pretty good definition of a vacuum,

But it's not.  We even have an empirical estimate of the value now from cosmology, Lambda=1.1e-52 per m2.

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/577527/prove-that-the-value-of-the-cosmological-constant-equals-the-energy-density-of-t

Brent

and if the volume between the plates has a lower energy density than that, then I don't see how something can be less than zero without being negative.

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    On 11/18/2022 3:38 AM, John Clark wrote:
    On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 3:00 PM Brent Meeker
    <[email protected]> wrote:

        /> A stable wormhole requires threading by negative energy
        density.  Since no such negative energy field is know and
        it's existence would imperil the stability of matter, its
        existence seems highly unlikely./


    In the Casimir Effect (which has been experimentally confirmed)
    the narrow space between 2 flat conducting plates has a negative
    energy density, and that causes an attraction between the 2
    plates because there is more energy outside the plates pushing
    the plates together than there is between the plates pushing the
    plates apart.

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