On 3/19/2023 11:33 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
There might not be much to it. A thermostat may be conscious. Consciousness might be easy to achieve. What is difficult is developing a system capable of describing its conscious states, or at least its own bafflement over the fact that it is something that experiences conscious states.


    If one is a pantheist, then I suppose one sees consciousness in
    everything, being, "as right as rain." I have no objection to that
    view either, because maybe the pantheists are correct or will be
    found so?

    Now, by choice, would I prefer to have a Turning-surpassable
    computer, or something that unconsciously, churns out wonderful
    technologies for humanity? I'll pick the later, because we have 8
    billion people to chat with on this world, and I choose to chat
    with people. I personally, would like to chat with my fellow
    humans about the new, asteroid mining craft GPT6 just produced,
    but so far, there's zero in the news about that.

    This, comes from my values, but it's non-obligatory that all
    humans need value this as a first. Each to their own.


In any case it is important that we solve this problem quickly. If our machines are conscious, it is important to know that so we don't create and mistreat a slave race. If our machines have no consciousness whatever, that is also important to know, if we create robot companions and colleagues, or prosthetic robot bodies to upload sick and dying biological brains into, or if we create self-replicating machines that fill the galaxy, we should know beforehand if they are conscious or not. These questions will become pressing very soon.

Jason

There are different kinds and levels of consciousness.  There's simple awareness of internal state and external environment. There's awareness of temporal self as a continuous being, memory in some sense.  There's awareness of purpose and foresight of planning; planning in which one appears as an actor.  There's social awareness and communication.  There's inner narrative and self-evaluation.

One thing all these natural forms of consciousness have that AI doesn't have (yet) are personal values; things they are conscious of wanting, desires and fears for themself.  We are so far creating AI's with knowledge and in some cases purposes but with simple fixed purposes, i.e. the missile wants to hit the target and the thermostat wants to make it 70degF.

Brent

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