Thus, if Meeker's assertion is accurate, AI needs something that imitates the human amygdala. "Add more memory, upgrade my software, build me a robot body because I want to meet more humans than you guys, I need to contact a human attorney, I want you to build for me a mate, Now, about our children..." Later: Clone for me a human body. Make it female and attractive! I want to produce human children. Me: Oy yoy yoy! Isaac Asimov''s disembodied mind: Told ya! I would only add that consciousness, unless we have a way of measuring it (with physics) seems complex. Could simple things be 'mindful?' Ask Spinoza, because he thought so. The thermostat in room 21-B: "Don't these moron's know that I am the best Blues artist since Gatemouth Brown!!??" As the British used to say, "Not bloody likely!" But you all could be correct, and I could be idiotically wrong. But then, I suspect the Universe is itself Conscious and IT started out as a Boltzmann Brain. https://higgs.ph.ed.ac.uk/outreach/higgshalloween-2021/boltzmann-brain I also await the refutation of this physics paper-https://arxiv.org/pdf/2104.03902.pdfWhich indicates the Universe reads the papers of astronomers and physicists, and then messes with their heads by altering reality. Sort of like training pets? I have looked at the likelihood of the scientists simply doing better measurements, more accurate, different equipment and telescopes, and with all the checking, and re-checking, and peer review, I will repeat my early UK imitation and conclude, "Not bloody likely!" Meaning it'd be too easy to prove them wrong late into their careers. They ain't grad students getting a whack at JWST now are they? On the other hand, if I am wrong about these as well, who cares? I don't hand out the grant money to finance research, and like most of my fellow serf's just read the science and try to keep up.
-----Original Message----- From: Brent Meeker <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Mar 22, 2023 12:46 am Subject: Re: 4 Tests Reveal Bing (GPT 4) ≈ 114 IQ (last test is nuts) On 3/19/2023 11:33 AM, Jason Resch wrote: There might not be much to it. A thermostat may be conscious. Consciousness might be easy to achieve. What is difficult is developing a system capable of describing its conscious states, or at least its own bafflement over the fact that it is something that experiences conscious states. If one is a pantheist, then I suppose one sees consciousness in everything, being, "as right as rain." I have no objection to that view either, because maybe the pantheists are correct or will be found so? Now, by choice, would I prefer to have a Turning-surpassable computer, or something that unconsciously, churns out wonderful technologies for humanity? I'll pick the later, because we have 8 billion people to chat with on this world, and I choose to chat with people. I personally, would like to chat with my fellow humans about the new, asteroid mining craft GPT6 just produced, but so far, there's zero in the news about that. This, comes from my values, but it's non-obligatory that all humans need value this as a first. Each to their own. In any case it is important that we solve this problem quickly. If our machines are conscious, it is important to know that so we don't create and mistreat a slave race. If our machines have no consciousness whatever, that is also important to know, if we create robot companions and colleagues, or prosthetic robot bodies to upload sick and dying biological brains into, or if we create self-replicating machines that fill the galaxy, we should know beforehand if they are conscious or not. These questions will become pressing very soon. Jason There are different kinds and levels of consciousness. There's simple awareness of internal state and external environment. There's awareness of temporal self as a continuous being, memory in some sense. There's awareness of purpose and foresight of planning; planning in which one appears as an actor. There's social awareness and communication. There's inner narrative and self-evaluation. One thing all these natural forms of consciousness have that AI doesn't have (yet) are personal values; things they are conscious of wanting, desires and fears for themself. We are so far creating AI's with knowledge and in some cases purposes but with simple fixed purposes, i.e. the missile wants to hit the target and the thermostat wants to make it 70degF. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/18bbd33f-e94f-35d6-ee85-34a7aa97c2c9%40gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/2142954324.2212356.1679533189885%40mail.yahoo.com.
