On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 4:04 PM John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:12 PM Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: > > *>Consciousness is a prerequisite of intelligence.* >> > > I think you've got that backwards, intelligence is a prerequisite of > consciousness. And the possibility of intelligent ACTIONS is a > prerequisite for Darwinian natural selection to have evolved it. > I disagree, but will explain below. > >> *> One can be conscious without being intelligent,* >> > > Sure. > I define intelligence by something capable of intelligent action. Intelligent action requires non random choice: choice informed by information from the environment. Having information about the environment (i.e. perceptions) is consciousness. You cannot have perceptions without there being some process or thing to perceive them. Therefore perceptions (i.e. consciousness) is a requirement and precondition of being able to perform intelligent actions. Jason The Turing Test is not perfect, it has a lot of flaws, but it's all we've > got. If something passes the Turing Test then it's intelligent and > conscious, but if it fails the test then it may or may not be intelligent > and or conscious. > > *You need to have perceptions (of the environment, or the current >> situation) in order to act intelligently. * > > > For intelligence to have evolved, and we know for a fact that it has, you > not only need to be able to perceive the environment you also need to be > able to manipulate it. That's why zebras didn't evolve great intelligence, > they have no hands, so a brilliant zebra wouldn't have a great advantage > over a dumb zebra, in fact he'd probably be at a disadvantage because a big > brain is a great energy hog. > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> > 339 > > 3b4 > > >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2Zjakk5szeMFfZu%3DCYp3FzopZsOOMXW%2Bx7qPH9_pujfg%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2Zjakk5szeMFfZu%3DCYp3FzopZsOOMXW%2Bx7qPH9_pujfg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUi-LWn1sGnWc95aUw1ib9a7WXV%2BCkj9b%2Bgq0OboAes7mw%40mail.gmail.com.
