So, where is Santa Claus ? Also, does he bring presents to all the children in the world in 1 night ? How does he do that ?
On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 07:31:46 UTC+3 Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 6:38 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> So based on your definition, Santa Claus exists. >> > > I believe everything possible exists. > > That is the idea this mail list was created to discuss, after all. (That > is why it is called the "everything list") > > Jason > > > >> On Tuesday 9 July 2024 at 00:47:28 UTC+3 Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 5:17 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Brain doesn't exist. >>> >>> >>> Then it exists as an object in consciousness, which is as much as exist >>> would mean under idealism. Rather than say things don't exist, I think it >>> would be better to redefine what is meant by existence. >>> >>> >>> "Brain" is just an idea in consciousness. >>> >>> >>> Sure, and all objects exist in the mind of God. So "exist" goes back to >>> meaning what it has always meant, as Markus Mueller said (roughly): "A >>> exists for B, when changing the state of A can change the state of B, and >>> vice versa, under certain auxiliary conditions." >>> >>> >>> See my papers, like "How Self-Reference Builds the World": >>>> https://philpeople.org/profiles/cosmin-visan >>> >>> >>>> >>> I have, and replied with comments and questions. You, however, dismissed >>> them as me not having read your paper. >>> >>> Have you seen my paper on how computational observers build the world? >>> It reaches a similar conclusion to yours: >>> >>> https://philpeople.org/profiles/jason-k-resch >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Monday 8 July 2024 at 23:35:12 UTC+3 Jason Resch wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 4:04 PM John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:12 PM Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> *>Consciousness is a prerequisite of intelligence.* >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think you've got that backwards, intelligence is a prerequisite of >>>>>> consciousness. And the possibility of intelligent ACTIONS is a >>>>>> prerequisite for Darwinian natural selection to have evolved it. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I disagree, but will explain below. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> *> One can be conscious without being intelligent,* >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I define intelligence by something capable of intelligent action. >>>>> >>>>> Intelligent action requires non random choice: choice informed by >>>>> information from the environment. >>>>> >>>>> Having information about the environment (i.e. perceptions) is >>>>> consciousness. You cannot have perceptions without there being some >>>>> process >>>>> or thing to perceive them. >>>>> >>>>> Therefore perceptions (i.e. consciousness) is a requirement and >>>>> precondition of being able to perform intelligent actions. >>>>> >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> The Turing Test is not perfect, it has a lot of flaws, but it's all >>>>>> we've got. If something passes the Turing Test then it's intelligent and >>>>>> conscious, but if it fails the test then it may or may not be >>>>>> intelligent >>>>>> and or conscious. >>>>>> >>>>>> *You need to have perceptions (of the environment, or the current >>>>>>> situation) in order to act intelligently. * >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For intelligence to have evolved, and we know for a fact that it has, >>>>>> you not only need to be able to perceive the environment you also >>>>>> need to be able to manipulate it. That's why zebras didn't evolve great >>>>>> intelligence, they have no hands, so a brilliant zebra wouldn't have a >>>>>> great advantage over a dumb zebra, in fact he'd probably be at a >>>>>> disadvantage because a big brain is a great energy hog. >>>>>> John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >>>>>> 339 >>>>>> >>>>>> 3b4 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2Zjakk5szeMFfZu%3DCYp3FzopZsOOMXW%2Bx7qPH9_pujfg%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2Zjakk5szeMFfZu%3DCYp3FzopZsOOMXW%2Bx7qPH9_pujfg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5812f096-a4a9-4915-8fee-5b7c810d3609n%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5812f096-a4a9-4915-8fee-5b7c810d3609n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/6d73d528-f6d0-42be-855f-2bdb76510663n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/6d73d528-f6d0-42be-855f-2bdb76510663n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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