Brain doesn't exist. "Brain" is just an idea in consciousness. See my papers, like "How Self-Reference Builds the World": https://philpeople.org/profiles/cosmin-visan
On Monday 8 July 2024 at 23:35:12 UTC+3 Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 4:04 PM John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 2:12 PM Jason Resch <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> *>Consciousness is a prerequisite of intelligence.* >>> >> >> I think you've got that backwards, intelligence is a prerequisite of >> consciousness. And the possibility of intelligent ACTIONS is a >> prerequisite for Darwinian natural selection to have evolved it. >> > > I disagree, but will explain below. > > >> >>> *> One can be conscious without being intelligent,* >>> >> >> Sure. >> > > I define intelligence by something capable of intelligent action. > > Intelligent action requires non random choice: choice informed by > information from the environment. > > Having information about the environment (i.e. perceptions) is > consciousness. You cannot have perceptions without there being some process > or thing to perceive them. > > Therefore perceptions (i.e. consciousness) is a requirement and > precondition of being able to perform intelligent actions. > > Jason > > The Turing Test is not perfect, it has a lot of flaws, but it's all we've >> got. If something passes the Turing Test then it's intelligent and >> conscious, but if it fails the test then it may or may not be intelligent >> and or conscious. >> >> *You need to have perceptions (of the environment, or the current >>> situation) in order to act intelligently. * >> >> >> For intelligence to have evolved, and we know for a fact that it has, you >> not only need to be able to perceive the environment you also need to be >> able to manipulate it. That's why zebras didn't evolve great intelligence, >> they have no hands, so a brilliant zebra wouldn't have a great advantage >> over a dumb zebra, in fact he'd probably be at a disadvantage because a big >> brain is a great energy hog. >> John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis >> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >> 339 >> >> 3b4 >> >> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2Zjakk5szeMFfZu%3DCYp3FzopZsOOMXW%2Bx7qPH9_pujfg%40mail.gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2Zjakk5szeMFfZu%3DCYp3FzopZsOOMXW%2Bx7qPH9_pujfg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/5812f096-a4a9-4915-8fee-5b7c810d3609n%40googlegroups.com.
