On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 6:59 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 7/8/2024 11:12 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 10:29 AM John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:28 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> *>I thought it was obvious that foresight requires consciousness. It >>> requires the ability of think in terms of future scenarios* >>> >> >> The keyword in the above is "think". Foresight means using logic to >> predict, given current starting conditions, what the future will likely be, >> and determining how a change in the initial conditions will likely >> affect the future. And to do any of that requires intelligence. Both Large >> Language Models and picture to video AI programs have demonstrated that >> they have foresight ; if you ask them what will happen if you cut the >> string holding down a helium balloon they will tell you it will flow away, >> but if you add that the instant string is cut an Olympic high jumper will >> make a grab for the dangling string they will tell you what will likely >> happen then too. So yes, foresight does imply consciousness because >> foresight demands intelligence and consciousness is the inevitable >> byproduct of intelligence. >> > > Consciousness is a prerequisite of intelligence. One can be conscious > without being intelligent, but one cannot be intelligent without being > conscious. > Someone with locked-in syndrome can do nothing, and can exhibit no > intelligent behavior. They have no measurable intelligence. Yet they are > conscious. You need to have perceptions (of the environment, or the current > situation) in order to act intelligently. It is in having perceptions that > consciousness appears. So consciousness is not a byproduct of, but an > integral and necessary requirement for intelligent action. > > And not necessarily a high-level language based consiousness. Paramecia > act intelligently based on perception of chemical gradients. So one would > say they are conscious of said gradients. > Yes, I agree. Jason > Brent > > > Jason > > >> >> >>> *> in which you are an actor* >>> >> >> Obviously any intelligence will have to take its own actions in account >> to determine what the likely future will be. After a LLM gives you an >> answer to a question, based on that answer I'll bet an AI will be able to >> make a pretty good guess what your next question to it will be. >> >> John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis >> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> >> ods >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1rXGetCmp5R8Zpakx5YVHdkNJMn-OrwL7Z3-E9Aka73g%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv1rXGetCmp5R8Zpakx5YVHdkNJMn-OrwL7Z3-E9Aka73g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUh%3D_HknXVnLpnd2fr6XkTbiDY0TU8hdqq%3DpPW5UfAwYUw%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUh%3D_HknXVnLpnd2fr6XkTbiDY0TU8hdqq%3DpPW5UfAwYUw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/8e3133ae-abcc-48fe-966f-96210858f33d%40gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/8e3133ae-abcc-48fe-966f-96210858f33d%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUhd9yd9o4c2d7HDabAuYWxhp%2BfiHHyFWzU72KQ5g0Ch%2BA%40mail.gmail.com.
