AI is just a fancy word for lonely boys to give meaning to their empty 
life. lol

On Thursday 11 July 2024 at 13:48:19 UTC+3 John Clark wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 2:08 AM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> That [*lack of a multiply operation*] would be no problem as long as 
>>> the AI still had the addition operation, just do repeated additions, 
>>> although it would slow things down. But you could start removing more and 
>>> more operations until you got all the way down to First Order Logic, and 
>>> then an AI could actually prove its own consistency. Kurt Godel showed that 
>>> a few years before he came up with this famous incompleteness theorem  in 
>>> what we now call Godel's Completeness Theorem. His later Incompleteness 
>>> Theorem only applies to logical systems powerful enough to do arithmetic, 
>>> and you can't do arithmetic with nothing but first order logic. The trouble 
>>> is you couldn't really say an Artificial Intelligence was intelligent if it 
>>> couldn't even pass a first grade arithmetic test.  
>>
>>
>> *> There are many levels of intelligence.  An octopus can't pass a first 
>> grade arithmetic test but it can escape thru a difficult maze*
>>
>
> Claude Shannon, the father of information theory, made a computerized 
> mouse way back in 1951 that was able to escape a difficult maze. It was a 
> big advance at the time, if the term had been invented, some would've 
> called it Artificial Intelligence. However these days nobody would call 
> something like that AI; one of the many reasons why is that it couldn't 
> pass a first grade arithmetic test.
>
>  See what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>
> mey
>
>

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