From: "Jay Novak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [F500] Pricing Rotax vs. 4strk GXSR 600cc
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:40:06 -0400
Right now a top of the pine 1600cc Fford engine is $12K & a 2L Pinto is
$13K. These prices are the result of the continued use & development of
engines that are no longer available and were build when tolerances were
not
what they are today. They also require a lot of maint & freshening. A 2L
Zetec with FI is $7K & can run or 5K miles between rebuilds.
Thanks ... Jay Novak
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris
Reinhardt
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [F500] Pricing Rotax vs. 4strk GXSR 600cc
Is a Pinto FF motor easy and cheap to keep going??? Like the wagon, it
was
cheap and easy back in the day....
CR
Chuck Voboril <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes Chris, that's right, but then a old wagon should be easier to work
on
and prep.
It is a very conservative comparison for what it will cost for members to
have a front running stock 4-stroke-it shall probably be even more than
that
since these are more complicated motors than Pinto motors.
Chuck
>From: Chris Reinhardt
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [F500] Pricing Rotax vs. 4strk GXSR 600cc
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:53:32 -0700 (PDT)
>
> Comparing a Pinto engine to the GSXR is like comparing a wagon train to
a
>F1 car....
>
> CR
>
>Chuck Voboril wrote:
> There is no fair comparison cost wise at this point
>The GSXR600 may be far more expensive than a 2-stroke.
>
>The GXSR600 is spec'd by the mfg at 115 HP motor in pure stock form with
a
>quiet exhaust system on pump gas-not a bad thing.
>
>The GSXR750 is 146 HP stock.
>
>However, within the limits of ANY stock engine class, there is ALWAYS
more
>HP to be had.
>
>The STOCK cam and STOCK carburator Pinto motor puts out 115 HP in
FF1600.
>Yet this was about a 80 HP engine from the factory.
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Robert Wilson"
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: [F500] Pricing Rotax vs. 4strk GXSR 600cc
> >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:06:43 -0400
> >
> >I think there should be testing done before we "assume" that this will
be
>a
> >"bottomless money pit". Maybe the stock engine will perform closely to
>the
> >current engines. Noone knows until we test. If they are close, I would
> >propose that the motor would have to be left in stock configuration.
If
>it
> >under-performs (which I doubt), then you would be getting into
internal
> >mods, which I agree that would be no good for the class.
> >
> >Bottom line, if the stock motor is close performance wise, and costs
>close
> >to half the price of a new rotax setup with clutching, why would
anyone
>be
> >against it? Hell, if you blow one up, you can buy a brand new one
instead
> >of rebuild!
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jim's Lawn Shop"
> >To:
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:14 AM
> >Subject: [F500] Pricing Rotax vs. 4strk GXSR 600cc
> >
> >
> > > Chuck,
> > > Don't forget, about 6 months after you get the "stock" engine
> > > done a manufacture will have a better one out and you can
> > > do it all over again.
> > > This will be a bottomless money pit!
> > > Dave Phaneuf
>
>
>
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