Yes, you're right I'm sure. And this is a very compelling argument 
for teaching practises of meditation in a non-movement way, without 
deliberate conditioning.


--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "Premanand Paul Mason" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Actions of individuals who are motivated by fear can more easily  
be 
> > predicted than those who have tasted freedom.
> > As far as I understand, transcending thought puts one in the 
position 
> > of being unconditioned. This freedom to go beyond conditioning 
and 
> > experience deep bliss is likely to produce free-thinking 
individuals.
> > Individuals who can slough off conditioning are going to be 
stronger 
> > at being free-er. This is my belief and experience.
> 
> I would tend to agree, *except* when the daily transcendence
> is "supplemented" with new conditioning.
> 
> This is, sadly, the case in far too many spiritual organizations.
> It's definitely *not* just a TM thang.  As the meditator sloughs
> off decades of societal conditioning, its absence is filled with
> dogma that becomes the new conditioning.  And since it comes 
> from the same people who taught the technique that brought about
> the new sense of freedom, this dogma is often accepted without
> question.
> 
> It's the Catch-22 of spiritual practice.  
> 
> Unc




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