--- In [email protected], "Premanand Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, you're right I'm sure. And this is a very compelling argument 
> for teaching practises of meditation in a non-movement way, without 
> deliberate conditioning.

What deliberate conditioning did *I* go through?

I took TM in 1973, SCI and checker-training in 1974-5, an advanced 
course in the UK after I joined the USAF, then the TM-Sidhis in 1985-
ish. Went back to Fairfield once or twice for a week, and to DC for a 
week. That's over a period of 30 years...


> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "Premanand Paul Mason" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Actions of individuals who are motivated by fear can more 
easily  
> be 
> > > predicted than those who have tasted freedom.
> > > As far as I understand, transcending thought puts one in the 
> position 
> > > of being unconditioned. This freedom to go beyond conditioning 
> and 
> > > experience deep bliss is likely to produce free-thinking 
> individuals.
> > > Individuals who can slough off conditioning are going to be 
> stronger 
> > > at being free-er. This is my belief and experience.
> > 
> > I would tend to agree, *except* when the daily transcendence
> > is "supplemented" with new conditioning.
> > 
> > This is, sadly, the case in far too many spiritual organizations.
> > It's definitely *not* just a TM thang.  As the meditator sloughs
> > off decades of societal conditioning, its absence is filled with
> > dogma that becomes the new conditioning.  And since it comes 
> > from the same people who taught the technique that brought about
> > the new sense of freedom, this dogma is often accepted without
> > question.
> > 
> > It's the Catch-22 of spiritual practice.  
> > 
> > Unc




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