Yes, you should hang out with Barry more, as you know nothing about him, except 
what he has spoon-fed you. Everything I have said is accurate. Look a little 
deeper, than simply cozying up to him, just because he too, professes to 
dislike Maharishi as much as you do (another Lenz trick - the enemy of my enemy 
is my friend). Just as he was, you are being played for a fool.

---In, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

 Not that Turq needs anyone to defend him, but I must say:

"he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, sexually, and financially" - 
exactly what Marshy did even though you won't admit it since your sense of self 
is so caught up in his saintly image.


 "Barry has no money...Barry has no friends or family... Barry has made no 
spiritual progress... Barry has no girlfriends..."

 All absurd pronouncements that you have no way of knowing the truth or falsity 
of. Especially the one about no spiritual progress. The fact that you feel he 
must agree that you are enlightened and that Marshy was a saint and TM is good 
for him to be considered spiritually evolved doesn't say much for your own 
state of mind.


  "Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with him"

 I can't vouch for what Barry was like after he left the Rama deal, I only know 
him from his posts here and his other writing he has made available online. He 
strikes me as being intelligent, discerning and a damn good writer, if a bit 
profane. He appears to me through his written words to have come through his 
experiences with Marshy, the Movement and Rama relatively unscathed. He at 
least no longer follows such hucksters like Benjy Creme or Amma or any of the 
other fakers on the spiritual scene. 


 From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's 
cult, and Barry's mind
   It is what Barry has NOT said that tells the story. Lenz was not only a 
con-artist, makes it sound like he was bouncing checks, or skipping out on 
parking tickets. No, Michael, he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, 
sexually, and financially. Barry has no money - He spent it all on Lenz. Barry 
has no friends or family, because he was taught for ten years to avoid them. 
Barry has made no spiritual progress, because spiritual criminals have no 
interest in their chumps. Barry has no girlfriends because Lenz confused him 
greatly about responsibility and love. Barry continues to believe in dark 
forces, and dream world conflicts, and portals, and the "bardo" in everyday 
life, because he was thoroughly indoctrinated. Very much a mess, after Lenz got 
done with him.

 So, I hate to be the one to break the news to ya, but you are aligned with the 
biggest cultist, brainwashed "master" follower, who has ever contributed to 
FFL. Congratulations, and good luck with that.

---In, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

 It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has 
been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in 
some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use 
Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The 
same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. 
Case closed.


 From: nablusoss1008 <>
 Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's 
cult, and Barry's mind

 It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz 
had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar 
around his neck.
 According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the 
Turq wasn't even close.

---In, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote :


 I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into 
mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as 
clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a 
phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell 
test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to 
the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. 
 ---In, <punditster@...> wrote :

 On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A 
good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. 

 The "Zen Master Rama" took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks 
just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book 
by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still 
somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to 
us years ago?
 Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of 
reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all 
seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a 
cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's 
been turned.
 When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a 
cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, 
and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just 
sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults 
and cult awareness networks (CAN).
 Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something 
negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like 
Bawee. Explains all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too.

 Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction 
state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is 
going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have 
to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of 
fraud and deception over a decade. 
<steve.sundur@...> mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons".  We all get ours pushed 
sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. 
 But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated 
this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion.
 And as in most religions, some things get distorted.
 Helps to explain things, I think. (-:
<fleetwood_macncheese@...> mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :
 If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a 
free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book 
is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. 
Available on the link that Richard posted. 
 Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely 
familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), 
before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY 

 Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways.  He claimed,
 for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons"
 to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him….
 He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre.
 "You know too much to leave.  It's a greedy, materialistic world
 out there.  Your soul would be miserable.  Besides, the Forces would
 flatten you like a bug.  You would lose thousands of lifetimes
 of evolution."
 He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old
 friends and family.  "It's best if you don't tell them what we do here.
 Believe me, they won't understand.  They'll end up blocking your
 progress and sapping your power.“…
 "Atmananda," I suddenly announced.  "I *saw* the Warriors."
 Others in the circle soon *saw* them too.
 Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983,
 followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a "cushion of light,"
 flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky,
 and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear.
 On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head.
 As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like
 the wind.
 "What did you *see*?" he asked afterward.
 "I didn't *see* anything," one new follower bemoaned.
 "Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing…
 "Are you Rama?" someone asked.
 "Yes," he replied.  "I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu.
 You people think that I am a person, but I am not.  Over the years
 I watched my various selves fade away.  I fought the process tooth
 and nail--like each of you are doing now.  But it was in vain.
 I could not stop the process of dissolution.  I had to admit that I
 was no longer a person.  This morning I suddenly knew who I was.
 I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity
 has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand
 of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time,
 Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God
 that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation
 of Vishnu..."

<awoelflebater@...> mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :
<punditster@...> mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the 
present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this 
try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your 
*own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. >
 You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about "Rama shit" a few months 
 "I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los 
 Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the 
 hours of the night." - TurquoiseB 
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 Author: TurquoiseB
 Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife
 Date: Friday, 23 May 2014
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