Richard, is he saying something similar to: the Self alone unfolds the Self to 
the Self? That's what it sounds like to me. I think the whole thing is a big, 
fat paradox!
 

     On Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:17 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

      On 10/23/2014 9:29 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
 >
  
     Richard, your posts remind me of how much I appreciate David Deida and 
other teachers who suggest that the "old" ways of liberation are best suited to 
masculine physiologies. 
  He also compares a soul to the light coming in from a stained glass window, 
which is the body. Via yoga practices we attempt to clean the dirt off the 
window. Via therapy we attempt to fix the cracks in the glass. 
  
  But at a certain point, we realize we are the light. End of cleaning and 
fixing!
    
 >
 It's like the Zen koan: Polishing a Tile to Make a Mirror:
 
 There was a zen student named Tai-i who was always sitting in meditation. His 
master Matsu asked him: "For what purpose are you sitting in meditation?"
 
 The student answered: "I am trying to become a Buddha."
 
 So, the Zen Master picked up a tile and started rubbing it.
 
 The student asked: "For what purpose are you rubbing a tile?"
 
 The Zen Master replied "I am rubbing this tile to make a mirror."
 
 The student asked: "How can you rub a tile to make a mirror?"
 
 To which the Zen Master answered: "How can you make a Buddha by sitting and 
meditating?"
 
 Zen Buddhism: A History Volume 1
 by Heinrich Dumoulin
 MacMillan, 1994
  pp. 160-163
 
 http://www.absolutoracle.com/Notezen/Articles/koan1.htm
 
 
 
      
 
       On Thursday, October 23, 2014 9:11 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' 
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   
 
           On 10/23/2014 7:14 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
 Could it be that we're simply compelled by neural pathways in our brain that  
want to be activated? 
  
 >
 According to MMY it is the nature of the mind to want to enjoy - it's only 
natural for anyone  to want to be free from suffering. He said that "the way 
into bliss is the way out of suffering."
 
 So, nobody wants to suffer but in fact, suffering is a given in life: we all 
suffer from repeated  birth, old age, sickness and eventual death. The truth is 
that we are all bound by karma, either from this life or from a previous life. 
There is no exception to karma, from  the highest god or deva down to a single 
blade of grass.  
 
 The idea behind yoga is to provide the ideal opportunity for awakening to the 
truth of how things  really are. If you know the truth you will be free. Yoga 
is immortality and freedom. 
 
 According to yoga theory, you build up samskaras due to karma - the actions in 
this life and in your  past lives. You can remove the samskaras through tapas - 
"burning off" the accumulated layers of past actions through meditation and 
other yoga practices. But a practice will  not remove all the samskaras - even 
for an accomplished "yogi" there's always a trace of karma because they still 
maintain a human body with air, water, and food, coarse or  fine, and thoughts, 
volitions and desires. 
 
 A "siddha" yogi is one who has realized the truth and is totally free while 
still in living in a  human body, a "jivan-mukti" - for them there is no 
return; everything has been done that needs to be done; gone to the other 
shore; totally gone. No come back no more. Free.
 >
 
  
 
       On Thursday, October 23, 2014 6:00 AM, "TurquoiseBee 
turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   
 
         From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
    To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, October 23,  2014 12:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife]  Re: Belief in God is a form of mental  illness
   
         Well said Barry - and I agree with every word
 
 It's NOT that I'm saying  that seeking spiritual experiences  ISN'T valuable. 
I'm  just pointing out that almost no one  in history has ever stepped up to 
the plate and made an objective,  scientific case for what that value might be.
                     
 
     
 
        
 
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